Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

[Speaker to Animals]

The problem for the leftists is their mentality of collectivization and forcing other people to pay for their mistakes. After SHTF, that attitude won't fly. If you can't feed your family, then that's on you. You don't get to march around and demand everybody else collectivize their food stores because you are starving.

That's exactly what will happen. You know that's what they will try to do, and you know the outcome outside of their cities. You also damned well know what happens to them inside those cities.

[SuburbanFarmer]

The problem for the leftists is their mentality of collectivization and forcing other people to pay for their mistakes. After SHTF, that attitude won't fly. If you can't feed your family, then that's on you. You don't get to march around and demand everybody else collectivize their food stores because you are starving.

That's exactly what will happen. You know that's what they will try to do, and you know the outcome outside of their cities. You also damned well know what happens to them inside those cities.

Well, those people are much more likely to survive within the rural communes. Rugged individualists will be used as cannon-fodder, or trading partners, and that's about it.

[Speaker to Animals]

The problem for the leftists is their mentality of collectivization and forcing other people to pay for their mistakes. After SHTF, that attitude won't fly. If you can't feed your family, then that's on you. You don't get to march around and demand everybody else collectivize their food stores because you are starving.

That's exactly what will happen. You know that's what they will try to do, and you know the outcome outside of their cities. You also damned well know what happens to them inside those cities.

Well, those people are much more likely to survive within the rural communes. Rugged individualists will be used as cannon-fodder, or trading partners, and that's about it.

Rugged individualists will have a slightly better chance of surviving, but not that much better. Community is how you survive. It's how humans exist. Our technological civilization is designed to maintain order while destroying community and fostering a sense of alienation, but without that constant threat of state violence to maintain order, shit will devolve back to small communities pretty fast.

But that mentality that we can just socialize everybody else's food because we are starving due to our lack of planning and forethought is not something that works in such an environment. Everybody has to pull their weight, and most Americans only will really only want to contribute labor to help their neighbors and their bodies for security of the community (the militia).

[SuburbanFarmer]

The problem for the leftists is their mentality of collectivization and forcing other people to pay for their mistakes. After SHTF, that attitude won't fly. If you can't feed your family, then that's on you. You don't get to march around and demand everybody else collectivize their food stores because you are starving.

That's exactly what will happen. You know that's what they will try to do, and you know the outcome outside of their cities. You also damned well know what happens to them inside those cities.

Well, those people are much more likely to survive within the rural communes. Rugged individualists will be used as cannon-fodder, or trading partners, and that's about it.

Rugged individualists will have a slightly better chance of surviving, but not that much better. Community is how you survive. It's how humans exist. Our technological civilization is designed to maintain order while destroying community and fostering a sense of alienation, but without that constant threat of state violence to maintain order, shit will devolve back to small communities pretty fast.

But that mentality that we can just socialize everybody else's food because we are starving due to our lack of planning and forethought is not something that works in such an environment. Everybody has to pull their weight, and most Americans only will really only want to contribute labor to help their neighbors and their bodies for security of the community (the militia).

It occurs to me that the more rural types will probably end up in tribal (socialist) structures, while the cities will eventually go full feudal. Interesting switch there, when the government is gone. Can't do much of a king/peasant relationship out in the sticks, unless you've got organized barbarian tribes running around. And tribal structures won't work well in the cities, with all the gangs and looters around.

[Okeefenokee]

Rural areas have horses, grass, guns, and spirits.

[Speaker to Animals]

The thing about the cities.. they actually have a huge amount of real estate to grow food. It doesn't seem like it at first, but if you use your imagination, it become obvious that they could potentially provide a good portion of their food, though their population would still need to be reduced by quite a lot.

[SuburbanFarmer]

The thing about the cities.. they actually have a huge amount of real estate to grow food. It doesn't seem like it at first, but if you use your imagination, it become obvious that they could potentially provide a good portion of their food, though their population would still need to be reduced by quite a lot.

You want to try and till a yard with your bare hands? I don't.

[Speaker to Animals]

The thing about the cities.. they actually have a huge amount of real estate to grow food. It doesn't seem like it at first, but if you use your imagination, it become obvious that they could potentially provide a good portion of their food, though their population would still need to be reduced by quite a lot.

You want to try and till a yard with your bare hands? I don't.

Urban agriculture would be totally different. It would be mostly aquaculture and rooftop gardens. The parks could be converted to something like the Mayan milpas. That's the closest to tilling soil they would get.

If you really stop and reconsider them, cities are a huge waste of space. But it wouldn't take an impossible amount of effort to reclaim wasted space for growing food (and making the cities more livable at the same time).

[C-Mag]

But back to my original point back then.. go to youtube and watch some of the preppers on there. There are some rather hefty fellows on there packing their rifles and fifty pound assault packs, talking about how they are ready for SHTF. The whole time I think to myself, "you do realize you will have to march and fight and huff it for miles and miles in the scenario you are discussing, right? Right??"

Hah, I don't need to outrun the bad guys, I just need to outrun the wife, kids and grandparents.

[C-Mag]

Yes, but medieval implies feudal, which implies a community of farmers and warriors. Community first. That's where the prepping movement falls on its face in many cases.

The hippy-dippy perma-culture people have a better chance since, though they are ridiculously leftist, they still know how to grow food and take care of themselves.

Imagine the average progressive without access to their Whole Foods, internet, power, vehicle transportation, safety provided by strangers, etc.


Well, you don't have to Forsythe imagines it for you in that novel. You can see how those of us living in the surrounding communities think about the typical Asheville dork. We are setting up roadblocks come SHTF.

It would be just as bad for the average conservative, without Walmart. Very few people of either stripe grow their own food, or could even imagine how to do so.

I do look forward to joining the rurals, but my neighbors are pretty nice people. Lots of gardeners and crafty-types around here, and we have a retreat to the sticks, if we need it.

Modern Prepping is a bad mix of old survivalism and modern consumerism.

You guys really need to read or listen to 299 Days, I think it's on audible. The writing quality is not great, but this guy has a great incite on how Lefties in control of government act and react in crisis. He predicted government would pay gangs tribute to stop violence. He predicted the type of unofficial civilian militia armed by the government in Venezuela to fight government protesters. He has real insight there, and how feminized men act, how feminist women are suddenly disappointed in their metrosexual men when they can't defend them in crisis....... good stuff guys.