Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

[SuburbanFarmer]

We Romans should really focus on self-actualization during this crisis.

I get you're point Doc. How do I explain my thoughts on this ?

The Prepping community is overly focused on STUFF. Gear reviews, stockpiles and caches. Name your site, it's filled with packing lists of Bug Out Bags, Firearms choices and the right tactical knife to buy. What's missing is how you build a community, the foundation of really thriving of in troubled times.

I can attest that it is quite important that people feel generally safe, belong to a group, have a sense of importance in the group and know their role.

If Preppers are really faced with a breakdown of government and society. What do they do past hunkering down and shooting at the 'Golden Horde' when it comes.

The main thing I see preppers fucking up on is their physical fitness.

Although, truth be told, if we encounter something like a One Second After scenario, the people who are overweight will have a huge advantage.

Finally getting around to listening to One Second After. The writing is pretty childish, but the scenario is interesting.

[Speaker to Animals]

Oh, you are going to hate the characterizations. He kind of has a point there, though..

Where I think he was wrong was on how many people would die from starvation in a year. The fact that fat asses are on youtube going months without eating should indicate there is a problem with some of his assumptions.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Oh, you are going to hate the characterizations. He kind of has a point there, though..

Where I think he was wrong was on how many people would die from starvation in a year. The fact that fat asses are on youtube going months without eating should indicate there is a problem with some of his assumptions.

I already do. 1/4 of the way through, and every female is a sexually attractive maiden in distress, and Main Character is Rambo with daughters to protect.

Not sure if I'll make it through this one lol

[Speaker to Animals]

But back to my original point back then.. go to youtube and watch some of the preppers on there. There are some rather hefty fellows on there packing their rifles and fifty pound assault packs, talking about how they are ready for SHTF. The whole time I think to myself, "you do realize you will have to march and fight and huff it for miles and miles in the scenario you are discussing, right? Right??"

If you really want to prepare for a violent SHTF scenario without rule of law or civilization, then you need to make sure you can march a really long distance through the roughest terrain in your region while carrying a pretty heavy load on your back. Make sure you can run pretty fast for a good distance and also sprint very fast for about a mile. Work on your relative strength before absolute strength in the gym. It doesn't help you to be billy bad ass in the gym if you can't pull yourself up to a rooftop or whatever.

Just think about what you need to get out of basic training and maybe something like an infantry school. I am pretty lacking on the infantry stuff, but it seems to me your real obstacle is going to be endurance and physical conditioning. Learning to shoot a rifle is like the fun part, and if that's all you are doing, then you are avoiding the hard part like a puss.

[Speaker to Animals]

Oh, you are going to hate the characterizations. He kind of has a point there, though..

Where I think he was wrong was on how many people would die from starvation in a year. The fact that fat asses are on youtube going months without eating should indicate there is a problem with some of his assumptions.

I already do. 1/4 of the way through, and every female is a sexually attractive maiden in distress, and Main Character is Rambo with daughters to protect.

Not sure if I'll make it through this one lol

Yeah, that stuff is pretty ridiculous. It's still pretty good, but I don't know any left-leaning person who made it through the novel because of the stereotypes. Still, the stereotypes have a point. Most women would be utterly helpless in that scenario. Most lefty men would be useless. He does have a point. There are no feminists in the apocalypse and no use for the male feminists.

[SuburbanFarmer]

But back to my original point back then.. go to youtube and watch some of the preppers on there. There are some rather hefty fellows on there packing their rifles and fifty pound assault packs, talking about how they are ready for SHTF. The whole time I think to myself, "you do realize you will have to march and fight and huff it for miles and miles in the scenario you are discussing, right? Right??"

If you really want to prepare for a violent SHTF scenario without rule of law or civilization, then you need to make sure you can march a really long distance through the roughest terrain in your region while carrying a pretty heavy load on your back. Make sure you can run pretty fast for a good distance and also sprint very fast for about a mile. Work on your relative strength before absolute strength in the gym. It doesn't help you to be billy bad ass in the gym if you can't pull yourself up to a rooftop or whatever.

Just think about what you need to get out of basic training and maybe something like an infantry school. I am pretty lacking on the infantry stuff, but it seems to me your real obstacle is going to be endurance and physical conditioning. Learning to shoot a rifle is like the fun part, and if that's all you are doing, then you are avoiding the hard part like a puss.

I always ask 'where do you think you're bugging out TO?' If shit has truly hit the fan, it's not just a matter of getting out of your town or neighborhood.

There will probably be a few hundred of these dummies starving or murdered on the side of the road.

[Speaker to Animals]

But back to my original point back then.. go to youtube and watch some of the preppers on there. There are some rather hefty fellows on there packing their rifles and fifty pound assault packs, talking about how they are ready for SHTF. The whole time I think to myself, "you do realize you will have to march and fight and huff it for miles and miles in the scenario you are discussing, right? Right??"

If you really want to prepare for a violent SHTF scenario without rule of law or civilization, then you need to make sure you can march a really long distance through the roughest terrain in your region while carrying a pretty heavy load on your back. Make sure you can run pretty fast for a good distance and also sprint very fast for about a mile. Work on your relative strength before absolute strength in the gym. It doesn't help you to be billy bad ass in the gym if you can't pull yourself up to a rooftop or whatever.

Just think about what you need to get out of basic training and maybe something like an infantry school. I am pretty lacking on the infantry stuff, but it seems to me your real obstacle is going to be endurance and physical conditioning. Learning to shoot a rifle is like the fun part, and if that's all you are doing, then you are avoiding the hard part like a puss.

I always ask 'where do you think you're bugging out TO?' If shit has truly hit the fan, it's not just a matter of getting out of your town or neighborhood.

There will probably be a few hundred of these dummies starving or murdered on the side of the road.

Yeah, that's the other funny part. But I was just speaking generally about people who themselves speak generally about dealing with nebulous threats in a SHTF scenario.

What they are really talking about militia-level warfare, and yeah, they are going to be huffing it with a lot of gear.

[SuburbanFarmer]

But back to my original point back then.. go to youtube and watch some of the preppers on there. There are some rather hefty fellows on there packing their rifles and fifty pound assault packs, talking about how they are ready for SHTF. The whole time I think to myself, "you do realize you will have to march and fight and huff it for miles and miles in the scenario you are discussing, right? Right??"

If you really want to prepare for a violent SHTF scenario without rule of law or civilization, then you need to make sure you can march a really long distance through the roughest terrain in your region while carrying a pretty heavy load on your back. Make sure you can run pretty fast for a good distance and also sprint very fast for about a mile. Work on your relative strength before absolute strength in the gym. It doesn't help you to be billy bad ass in the gym if you can't pull yourself up to a rooftop or whatever.

Just think about what you need to get out of basic training and maybe something like an infantry school. I am pretty lacking on the infantry stuff, but it seems to me your real obstacle is going to be endurance and physical conditioning. Learning to shoot a rifle is like the fun part, and if that's all you are doing, then you are avoiding the hard part like a puss.

I always ask 'where do you think you're bugging out TO?' If shit has truly hit the fan, it's not just a matter of getting out of your town or neighborhood.

There will probably be a few hundred of these dummies starving or murdered on the side of the road.

Yeah, that's the other funny part. But I was just speaking generally about people who themselves speak generally about dealing with nebulous threats in a SHTF scenario.

What they are really talking about militia-level warfare, and yeah, they are going to be huffing it with a lot of gear.

There was a good thread on this on Political Forum. http://politicalforum.com/index.php?thr ... ht.411715/

Basically, the underground-bunker guys are building their own coffins. Cut the air supply, or blow smoke down there, and take their stuff.

The best solutions for SHTF-world are medieval. Small holdings, fortified with earthworks, and a feudal or tribal structure. It's getting through that first year or so that would be painful, and very, very ugly.

[Speaker to Animals]

Yes, but medieval implies feudal, which implies a community of farmers and warriors. Community first. That's where the prepping movement falls on its face in many cases.

The hippy-dippy perma-culture people have a better chance since, though they are ridiculously leftist, they still know how to grow food and take care of themselves.

Imagine the average progressive without access to their Whole Foods, internet, power, vehicle transportation, safety provided by strangers, etc.


Well, you don't have to Forsythe imagines it for you in that novel. You can see how those of us living in the surrounding communities think about the typical Asheville dork. We are setting up roadblocks come SHTF.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Yes, but medieval implies feudal, which implies a community of farmers and warriors. Community first. That's where the prepping movement falls on its face in many cases.

The hippy-dippy perma-culture people have a better chance since, though they are ridiculously leftist, they still know how to grow food and take care of themselves.

Imagine the average progressive without access to their Whole Foods, internet, power, vehicle transportation, safety provided by strangers, etc.


Well, you don't have to Forsythe imagines it for you in that novel. You can see how those of us living in the surrounding communities think about the typical Asheville dork. We are setting up roadblocks come SHTF.

It would be just as bad for the average conservative, without Walmart. Very few people of either stripe grow their own food, or could even imagine how to do so.

I do look forward to joining the rurals, but my neighbors are pretty nice people. Lots of gardeners and crafty-types around here, and we have a retreat to the sticks, if we need it.