The left vs the 23% white separatist contingent

[K@th]

If you are arguing that every angle in every scenario hasn't been accounted for by those who want to slow demographic change, you got them. The conclusion should not be that if you don't think of all of those questions before suggesting slowing down demographic change, then dystopia will ensue. That is where DBTrek's argument goes off the rails, he assumes that those proposing slowing down demographic change would be willing to enforce a dystopian system in order to achieve that goal.

No, changing immigration will not cause dystopia.

Having a law that says whites must be in the majority at all times will create a situation where you have to deal with it when that baby is born who puts whites at 49%.

We're against it as policy, not against immigration reform.

[StCapps]

Having a law that says whites must be in the majority at all times will create a situation where you have to deal with it when that baby is born who puts whites at 49%.

We're against it as policy, not against immigration reform.

No one is proposing such a policy. StA wants to slow down demographic change and halt immigration to the US, none of his proposals are a mandate that America must always remain over 50% white, no matter what is required to maintain that policy, including deportations and sterilizations of non-white folk. You are arguing past him and virtue signaling that you are better than him, but you have no justifiable reason to act in that way.

[K@th]

No one is proposing such a policy. StA wants to slow down demographic change and halt immigration to the US, none of his proposals are a mandate that America must always remain over 50% white, no matter what is required to maintain that policy. You are arguing past him and virtue signaling that you are better than him, for no reason that I can discern aside from a natural SIFCLF reaction to any suggestions StA makes regarding immigaration.

He wants policy to ensure whites maintain a majority. He's been arguing it for 37 pages.

I still have no idea what virtue signaling is. I don't get the alt-right lingo, at all.

[Speaker to Animals]

(1) Enforce existing immigration law by deporting every last illegal immigrant we can get a hold of, refusing them any services whatsoever until they are brought into custody, and putting in prison anybody who knowingly helps them obtain employment or government services.

(2) Drastically limit immigration in general to a fixed quota each year that is relatively small such that people can actually integrate into our culture. Require all immigrants to prove they can support themselves and make it an automatic deportation if they require government services to live for up to ten years from immigration.

(3) End all direct welfare and subsidies that reward the very poor for having children by directly providing resources and services to the children. If the children need food, then we should feed the children directly. If they need clothes, then we should provide them with clothes directly. No money should ever flow from the government into the hands of parents. Provide day care so the parents can work.

(4) Provide much higher earned income tax credits for having children and end any marriage penalties. This, when combined with (3), incentives people who are better able to take care of children to produce more children, and people who are not suitable for parenthood to *not* have children, since they will be worse off no matter what they do (single mothers especially).

(5) Remove incentives to destroy families such as child support and alimony. If some chick wants a divorce, fine, we will split custody of the kids 50/50 and split the assets in half, but she can fuck right the fuck off after that. It's not her ex-husband's job to maintain the quality of life she is "accustomed to".

(6) End all visa programs except for a highly skilled migrant program that would admit only people with post-graduate educations or some very unique skill that is not common here. Mexico can send their professors and engineers, but they can keep their illiterate, welfare-dependent farm laborers. Make the highly-skilled migrant program a fast track and damned near guaranteed. Mexico will build that fucking wall themselves if we start bleeding them dry of the people they actually want to retain.

(7) Tax the ever shit out of all remittances to foreign nations. If somebody wants to become a citizen here, and they meet the above requirements, great!. Now they are Americans and we don't need to hemorrhage our GDP to the third world. America is not a meal ticket for their extended family back in South Waziristan.


Those are some pretty simple measures that are not even the dreaded "race-based" laws that people lose their shit over, even though they never seemed to give a shit about all the anti-white race-based laws until they realized their arguments were a tad hypocritical.

[StCapps]

Those are some pretty simple measures that are not even the dreaded "race-based" laws that people lose their shit over, even though they never seemed to give a shit about all the anti-white race-based laws until they realized their arguments were a tad hypocritical.

They need to argue against a strawman, or they can't win the argument in their own minds. Just put words in StA's mouth, and create an easy to defeat strawman, that's the ticket!

None of your proposed suggestions would result in an American dystopia, but that won't stop them from pretending as if that's what you want. They can argue you won't stop the demographic trends, and merely slow them down with your proposed measures, but they can't resist reaching to portray your proposals as dystopic because they are insecure that they can compete without distorting your position on the issue.

Keeping America White, at any cost, including going full on Nazi Germany, that is the strawman they need to argue against, if they don't have that, then they might actually notice that you are currently arguing circles around them.

[K@th]

Mexicans don't have babies for the check. They have babies because they are Catholics who don't believe in birth control. And they like to screw.

[StCapps]

Mexicans don't have babies for the check. They have babies because they are Catholics who don't believe in birth control. And they like to screw.

Yeah but even Mexico's birth rate is going to be below replacement soon, it's already at 2.21 and dropping fast.

Stop assuming that anyone who wants to slow demographic change in the US is willing to go to Nazi Germany to make sure it comes to pass, because no one is making that argument, protip.

[K@th]

Please review the past 38 pages or so and quote me one time saying Nazi, Germany.

I've only ever stated that if maintaining white majority becomes law, there will need to be policies in place to ensure that happens.

[StCapps]

I've only ever stated that if maintaining white majority becomes law, there will need to be policies in place to ensure that happens.

There are ways to slow down demographic change, via enforced policies, without America becoming a dystopia. No deportations or sterilizations necessary.
/shrugs

You can only envision it going wrong, you can't look to modern or historical examples that show Ethno States doing just fine, you want to believe only hypotheticals that result in America becoming a much worse place to live, if any portion of it ever became an Ethno State. That is what I mean when I say "you can only think of Nazi Germany", you only want to imagine the Sky Falling, any other examples, you dismiss out of hand.

[K@th]

I've only ever stated that if maintaining white majority becomes law, there will need to be policies in place to ensure that happens.

There are ways to slow down demographic change, via enforced policies, without America becoming a dystopia. No deportations or sterilizations necessary.
/shrugs

Ahh, so we've revised it from

"must maintain white majority at all costs!"

to

"maybe we could slow down the rate of change so we don't lose the majority as quickly."

I'm glad the reality-ville crowd had a chance to help you out. you're welcome.

/Kath out.