Breakdown of traditional communities and the ability to determine social relevance

[Hwen Hoshino]

Because we already know how that game is played. You quibble over the definition of multiculturalism, arguing that what we have is not really multiculturalism. I tell you that you can define it however you want, but I am talking about what we actually have, no matter what you want to call that. And then you disappear for a while.

Not worth anybody's time.

You know what I am talking about.

I always quote so i don't really disappear. You have, but there are different types.

You are doing exactly what I said. You are trying to play games with the word multiculturalism when you damned well know and understand I am referring to what we have in America, no matter what you want to call it. Sophistry is boring.

You don't think multiculturalism ever referred at bott more and less integrated societies at the same time?

[Speaker to Animals]

I always quote so i don't really disappear. You have, but there are different types.

You are doing exactly what I said. You are trying to play games with the word multiculturalism when you damned well know and understand I am referring to what we have in America, no matter what you want to call it. Sophistry is boring.

You don't think multiculturalism ever referred at bott more and less integrated societies at the same time?

I don't really give a shit about how you want to personally define the word. I am talking about the thing referred to by the word in common speech. I am talking about what we have right here in America. I am talking about the festering shit holes that are sprouting up across Europe now. You know exactly what I mean when I use the word multiculturalism, and you can't somehow blind me to it by trying to redefine the fucking word.

[Hwen Hoshino]

You are doing exactly what I said. You are trying to play games with the word multiculturalism when you damned well know and understand I am referring to what we have in America, no matter what you want to call it. Sophistry is boring.

You don't think multiculturalism ever referred at bott more and less integrated societies at the same time?

I don't really give a shit about how you want to personally define the word. I am talking about the thing referred to by the word in common speech. I am talking about what we have right here in America. I am talking about the festering shit holes that are sprouting up across Europe now. You know exactly what I mean when I use the word multiculturalism, and you can't somehow blind me to it by trying to redefine the fucking word.

Why have a blinding agenda exactly?

[Speaker to Animals]

You don't think multiculturalism ever referred at bott more and less integrated societies at the same time?

I don't really give a shit about how you want to personally define the word. I am talking about the thing referred to by the word in common speech. I am talking about what we have right here in America. I am talking about the festering shit holes that are sprouting up across Europe now. You know exactly what I mean when I use the word multiculturalism, and you can't somehow blind me to it by trying to redefine the fucking word.

Why have a blinding agenda exactly?

What??

You are engaging in sophistry. Do you at least understand this? You are attempting to ignore the substance of what a person is telling you and instead arguing over semantic games involving the redefinition of words. That's sophistry.

Somebody says they don't like what multiculturalism is doing to the West. Instead of debating him based on the physical reality to which he refers, you attempt to fuck around with the meanings of words to try to convince him otherwise. But changing the meanings of words doesn't alter the physical reality, and I am pointing to the physical reality of Muslim rape gangs, Mexican drug gangs, and the left's call for my own people to be exterminated. Hello?? Do you understand the problem?

I don't care how you personally choose to define multiculturalism. You know I am referring to the physical reality of what our governments have imposed upon us. You can call that whatever you want, but that's what I object to.

[Martin Hash]

StA, will you please stop getting played by Hwen. (I pretty sure he's enjoying it. Maybe you are too?)

[Hwen Hoshino]

I don't really give a shit about how you want to personally define the word. I am talking about the thing referred to by the word in common speech. I am talking about what we have right here in America. I am talking about the festering shit holes that are sprouting up across Europe now. You know exactly what I mean when I use the word multiculturalism, and you can't somehow blind me to it by trying to redefine the fucking word.

Why have a blinding agenda exactly?

What??

You are engaging in sophistry. Do you at least understand this? You are attempting to ignore the substance of what a person is telling you and instead arguing over semantic games involving the redefinition of words. That's sophistry.

Somebody says they don't like what multiculturalism is doing to the West. Instead of debating him based on the physical reality to which he refers, you attempt to fuck around with the meanings of words to try to convince him otherwise. But changing the meanings of words doesn't alter the physical reality, and I am pointing to the physical reality of Muslim rape gangs, Mexican drug gangs, and the left's call for my own people to be exterminated. Hello?? Do you understand the problem?

I don't care how you personally choose to define multiculturalism. You know I am referring to the physical reality of what our governments have imposed upon us. You can call that whatever you want, but that's what I object to.

The left is nuts i agree. Their vision will turn into hell on earth unless they moderate their current bs or do a 180.

[Speaker to Animals]

The amazing thing about this is how ethnically blind Americans used to be. I grew up not really even seeing race. It wasn't until I was the target of racism from nonwhites that I began to see race. I tried for YEARS to defend this multicultural mindfuck we live in today. No more.

You can't defend this. These people are now calling for the dismantling of our nation and the elimination of white people. You have the nonwestern world now colonizing the western world. The left, who before used to decry the evils of colonialism, are the primary benefactors and proponents of colonization -- against us.

[TheReal_ND]

10,000 is a big number. My suspicion is that a lot, if not most, of those views, retweets, whatever, are bots. Take this forum: we go to great pains to block bots. We certainly don't buy bots? (Facebook offers 1,000 views for $5, WTF?) Our real membership is about 100 active people, with a couple dozen of them posting (the rest lurking), yet the traffic is respectable, almost 10K posts/mo. If we had 10,000 active members, that extrapolates to 1 million posts/mo. Those are Redit numbers. Something doesn't make sense in those microcosms unless bots are the vast majority of their traffic.

That there is a market for paid retweets, to give the appearance of popularity of tweeted statement, liked comment, or FB post would suggest that there is a real psychological effect to seeing that a tweet, FB post, whatever social media post. Real enough that businesses post money in it. If your mind can be tricked to buy a soda by an illusion that it's "The Most Popular Soda among Cool People!", for example, then why would that same logic not apply to beliefs? Not everyone arrives at their beliefs and values after a long-term, introspective, well-reasoned, reading session after all.

But what do you get if you look at our community? NOTHING. We don't have a fucking community anymore. The basic notion of what even constitutes being an American is challenged by marauding illegals on the streets now. Most of our lives our fractured. Our families sundered. Our families scattered to the wind and when boomers aren't busy reverse mortgaging their cheap as dirt houses to drive up the prices and leave their children with absolutely nothing they are actively crusading to not only be the world police and disrupt the world, but invite the entire fucking world in. Of course, many people have no idea what it's like to live as a minority in the hometown you grew up in or have no family to speak and the rest are too busy watching negroid sphere or some other form of deracinated entertainment.

I get the impression that the racial aspect of your argument isn't widely accepted as fact by most Americans, nuke, but everything else in that post is something most of your fellow Americans, to a lesser or greater extent do seem to agree upon. A good example a year or so back, was a DCF thread about families where a single mother (or just a parent in a two-parents-working household) had let their kid play outside and gotten ratted out for "child endangerment". Even the resident US leftists were outraged from a perspective of "that would not have been a thing when I was a child".

As for the boomer virtuesignalling their love of foreign poor, while ignoring the poor at home and the world police issue: Do you think that they are able to "get away with" what they are doing because most people have been genuinely persuaded/duped into believing that what these self-avowedly "virtuous" boomer generation people, are good, moral, beneficial things to do? Or do you believe that most Americans have simply resigned themselves to not being able to do anything about those people destroying traditional society?

Yeah well I rode my bike or scooter everywhere as a kid. I still see kids doing it but usually in more well off areas. I have to fight back pangs of jealousy when I see areas that remind me of my childhood because I know my son won't get to experience that. It's probably going to be pretty bad whatever he does experience. But it may make him tougher.

To answer your question I believe it's possible that boomers were specifically duped into their way of thinking but I have no clear concept of how it would have been done. The closest I can come to is pointing at the Jewish narrative behind things like the Hart–Celler Act in 1965 but it's thin gruel for attempting to make sense of why boomers have acted the way they did and still do and will do until they are 90 because they don't quit anymore.

I suppose there is really nothing to be done. I fought pretty hard or rather it felt like I fought to help elect DJT and I believed in what I was doing as a movement. Not in the man specifically but the narrative he was selling. I'm not really surprised at all he's pivoted back to the center now but what was absolutely shocking was the reaction to travel bans by random judges popping out of the woodwork to shut it down. And it was something minor. But of course he can bomb whoever the fuck he wants and no random judges are going to protest that. Resigned to a certain degree I guess.

[GloryofGreece]

That there is a market for paid retweets, to give the appearance of popularity of tweeted statement, liked comment, or FB post would suggest that there is a real psychological effect to seeing that a tweet, FB post, whatever social media post. Real enough that businesses post money in it. If your mind can be tricked to buy a soda by an illusion that it's "The Most Popular Soda among Cool People!", for example, then why would that same logic not apply to beliefs? Not everyone arrives at their beliefs and values after a long-term, introspective, well-reasoned, reading session after all.

Not just a paid market, but sometimes a national economy - see Bangladesh

I mentioned the book Influence in another thread. One section of the book discusses how the primary predictor of how people will behave in a public situation is other people. If someone is unconscious on the sidewalk and everyone else is walking by, people are much more likely to walk by. If someone is unconscious on a sidewalks, and two worried people are kneeling by them and they as you to call 911, you'll probably call 911. Peer pressure isn't the only factor at play when it comes to society's behaviors. There's a large portion of lemming-ness that goes along with it.

Diversity, on the other hand, is how Genghis Khan built the largest land based Empire in the world. When diversity works with synergy it is the bundle of arrows no man can break. When it works to divide, it is a chariot tethered to five horses running in opposite directions.

Advertisement and marketing in general has become a corrosive aspect of our culture. And I guess you can go way back to the early 20th century when the papers were really getting ads in a big way and corporations took over most journalism. Add to it now with the tv, radio, internet etc. its just all over the damn place let alone old school billboards or posters etc. You can't even really trust Amazon reviews, IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes etc. b/c they are all owned by media companies and they're hosting reviews of their own shit! How can you take facebook "likes" or twitter "followers" seriously let alone as a real thing? Sure you can do things to get around ads and commercials but its well beyond that now.

[Hwen Hoshino]

The amazing thing about this is how ethnically blind Americans used to be. I grew up not really even seeing race. It wasn't until I was the target of racism from nonwhites that I began to see race. I tried for YEARS to defend this multicultural mindfuck we live in today. No more.

You can't defend this. These people are now calling for the dismantling of our nation and the elimination of white people. You have the nonwestern world now colonizing the western world. The left, who before used to decry the evils of colonialism, are the primary benefactors and proponents of colonization -- against us.

I don't think they will be benefactors for long.