4th Amendment Thread

[Ph64]

The 4th Amendment?
Oh yeah, that's one of those things written on that old piece of paper we're ignoring more and more...

[SilverEagle]

The 4th Amendment?
Oh yeah, that's one of those things written on that old piece of paper we're ignoring more and more...

The 4th as been all but dead for a long while now. People have been too busy fighting over the 1st and 2nd to realize what the government has done to the 4th.

[SuburbanFarmer]

The 4th Amendment?
Oh yeah, that's one of those things written on that old piece of paper we're ignoring more and more...

The 4th as been all but dead for a long while now. People have been too busy fighting over the 1st and 2nd to realize what the government has done to the 4th.

But we got our gunz!!!!

[Ph64]

The 4th Amendment?
Oh yeah, that's one of those things written on that old piece of paper we're ignoring more and more...

The 4th as been all but dead for a long while now. People have been too busy fighting over the 1st and 2nd to realize what the government has done to the 4th.

But we got our gunz!!!!

Liberulz are working hard on the first two... But they need to focus their SJW squads on crushing the 1st, once that's gone they can just claim you have no right to be heard on them eliminating the 2nd.

[Ph64]

[TheReal_ND]

The 4th as been all but dead for a long while now. People have been too busy fighting over the 1st and 2nd to realize what the government has done to the 4th.

But we got our gunz!!!!

Liberulz are working hard on the first two... But they need to focus their SJW squads on crushing the 1st, once that's gone they can just claim you have no right to be heard on them eliminating the 2nd.

Upboating. Eat a dick Piss Puss

[de officiis]

Miami-Dade may deploy blanket surveillance from the air

Miami-Dade police may deploy sophisticated aerial surveillance capable of photographing everyone outside for 32 square miles in an effort to track vehicles and individuals involved in crimes.

The proposal, first reported by the Miami New Times, would send a surveillance plane high above high-crime neighborhoods to film everything below, according to Lt. Juan Villalba Jr. Already used in Baltimore, the technology lets police pull footage after a crime occurs and try to recreate where the perpetrators came from on their way to the scene and where they fled to afterward.

“It’s kind of like a DVR,” Villalba said, referring to playing back television shows hours after they air. “This will allow us to go back and look at what happened.”

Already used in Baltimore and other cities, the technology has helped spark a national debate on civil liberties as it pushes the edge of what’s possible now in mass surveillance. The camera system tracks how the U.S. pursued suicide bombers in Iraq, and the American Civil Liberties Union has called it “terrifying” for the potential to record every citizen’s movement when he or she is visible from the sky.”

“This is not the way to adopt public policy — no system of surveillance should be put into place until it is first established that there is a need which this system addresses, and that there are protections in place for the privacy of the people of Miami-Dade County,” the ACLU’s Florida said in a statement Thursday from executive director Howard Simon. “Until these protections for the rights and privacy of the people of Miami-Dade County are put into place, the grant request should be withdrawn.”

With increasingly cheaper surveillance cameras already mounted on lampposts, buildings, traffic lights and homes throughout Miami-Dade — not to mention the prevalence of cellphone footage — the sophisticated aerial surveillance arrives at a time when people are used to being recorded when they leave home.

“You have no expectation of privacy when you walk outside,” said Carlos Gimenez, mayor of Miami-Dade. “I have no expectation of privacy in my backyard.”

Sounds pretty Orwellian to me.

[C-Mag]

The 4th Amendment?
Oh yeah, that's one of those things written on that old piece of paper we're ignoring more and more...

The 4th as been all but dead for a long while now. People have been too busy fighting over the 1st and 2nd to realize what the government has done to the 4th.

NSA Whistleblower says NSA used blanket collection of all communications as 2002 Winter Olympics.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8656 ... mpics.html

[de officiis]

Supreme Court to Take Up Privacy of Cell Phone Tracking

The Supreme Court agreed Monday to consider whether police need a search warrant to track the movements of cell phone users. It's the latest plunge by the justices into the issue of digital-age privacy, at a time when 95 percent of Americans own a cell phone.

Whether the Constitution protects data revealing a cellular telephone's location is "a hugely important question," said Orin Kerr, at professor at the George Washington University's law school.

When a cell phone is used for calls or text messages, it signals a nearby antenna tower to connect with the telephone network. As the user travels, the call is handed off to successive cell towers, and the cell phone companies keep records of the phone numbers routed through each tower.

Police can use that information to develop a map of of a person's movements, nearly minute-by-minute. Maryland Public Defender James Wyda says the government "can turn back the clock to surveil a suspect's location and movements when the suspect was not even a suspect, and perhaps when no investigation was underway -- before a crime may have been contemplated, yet alone committed."

The court agreed to hear the case of a midwestern man, Timothy Carpenter, who was charged with committing a string of robberies in Michigan and Ohio during 2010 and 2011. The police created a plot of his movements over 127 days, which prosecutors said established that he was at the scene of several unsolved robberies.

A jury convicted him of six robberies after an FBI agent testified that the records placed him near the sites of four of them. A federal appeals court upheld the conviction, ruling that cell phone users have no reasonable expectation of privacy in the records of their cell phone usage.

The lower courts have generally said police do not need a search warrant to get cell phone locator records, relying on a Supreme Court decision from 38 years ago. The court said then that no warrant is needed to get the numbers a telephone user calls, because people have no expectation that the phone numbers they dial will remain private.

"All telephone users realize that they must 'convey' phone numbers to the telephone company, since it is through telephone company switching equipment that their calls are completed," the court said. And the phone company keeps the records anyway for billing purposes.

But the ACLU, representing Carpenter, said the reasoning of that decades-old case shouldn't apply in the digital age, because the court's earlier decision involved telephones that were hard-wired into the wall and didn't move. Getting cell phone tower location, by contrast, allows the police to reconstruct a person's movements and should require a search warrant.

[TheReal_ND]

privacy of cellphone tracking

Little late dude. They are barring people by hardware now.