US Voting Qualifications Thread

[apeman]

Well we aren't gonna fix education with current voting practices, are we?

In any case, your goal is an "informed" voter, I went with aligning incentives and skin in the game instead, because that is actually concrete and achievable (unless you ask full retard Penner)

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Someone on the dole has 'skin in the game.' They, especially, need their country to do well. If you want to disenfranchise people who might not have interests aligned with Americas, then cut out people who own foreign property or stocks in foreign companies.

Property owners, parents, and veterans are all perfectly capable of bad decision making, either through being short sighted or genuinely misunderstanding what policies will actually benefit them.

I am not sure disenfranchisement really solves any problems.

[Fife]

Yep, we might as well let all the public employees who won't be getting a pension after all as it is going to turn out keep their votes. Pretty low cost on the margin at that point.

[The Conservative]

Well we aren't gonna fix education with current voting practices, are we?

In any case, your goal is an "informed" voter, I went with aligning incentives and skin in the game instead, because that is actually concrete and achievable (unless you ask full retard Penner)

You don't fix the education system by throwing it into the political ring. You fix it by teaching kids how to think. There is a difference, one you seem to be missing.

[Kazmyr]

Someone on the dole has 'skin in the game.' They, especially, need their country to do well. If you want to disenfranchise people who might not have interests aligned with Americas, then cut out people who own foreign property or stocks in foreign companies.

Property owners, parents, and veterans are all perfectly capable of bad decision making, either through being short sighted or genuinely misunderstanding what policies will actually benefit them.

I am not sure disenfranchisement really solves any problems.

And leaving people on the dole doesn't really either, I think.

If you're getting the gibs, wouldn't that, acting as a barrier to vote, incentivize you to get off the gibs and become one of those who are qualified to vote?

[Kazmyr]

Well we aren't gonna fix education with current voting practices, are we?

In any case, your goal is an "informed" voter, I went with aligning incentives and skin in the game instead, because that is actually concrete and achievable (unless you ask full retard Penner)

You don't fix the education system by throwing it into the political ring. You fix it by teaching kids how to think. There is a difference, one you seem to be missing.

How do we fix the system by teaching kids to 'think properly?'

Any way of solving that particular problem is going to require action that is political in nature.

[Fife]

If you're getting the gibs, wouldn't that, acting as a barrier to vote, incentivize you to get off the gibs and become one of those who are qualified to vote?

What about public payroll and pension gibs also?

Maybe we're getting somewhere here . . .

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

And leaving people on the dole doesn't really either, I think.

If you're getting the gibs, wouldn't that, acting as a barrier to vote, incentivize you to get off the gibs and become one of those who are qualified to vote?

Why would it, unless we are accepting that the receivers of gibs are more civic-minded than they are generally given credit for.

I heard that all they care about is voting themselves more gibs. If they are still getting gibs, then why do they care to vote. if they aren't getting gibs because the voters eliminated them, then the ex-gibs receivers become voters (assuming they have children, which, let's be honest, they probably do) in ape's scheme. Then they vote themselves gibs back and abandon their otherwise useless franchise.

Disenfranchise away I suppose. It should never be too difficult to find a reason to keep someone from self-government.

[Speaker to Animals]

That's pretty much what is happening, dude.

[The Conservative]

Well we aren't gonna fix education with current voting practices, are we?

In any case, your goal is an "informed" voter, I went with aligning incentives and skin in the game instead, because that is actually concrete and achievable (unless you ask full retard Penner)

You don't fix the education system by throwing it into the political ring. You fix it by teaching kids how to think. There is a difference, one you seem to be missing.

How do we fix the system by teaching kids to 'think properly?'

Any way of solving that particular problem is going to require action that is political in nature.

Seriously? It's only political now because we allow one state to dictate what the books are going to be using for the rest of the country. Instead of having a national school board agree on said information in said books.

It is also political because Unions force their people to picket for politicians...

If we taught kids how to think for themselves, how to come to a conclusion by study, research, and proper documentation, we actually may have a better future because people today take things at face value... which is also a problem because media systems such as CNN, etc which used to be great forms of information, which allowed us to make our own minds up. Now they are spoon feeding specific filtered information to people so that the agencies are making the minds up for the people instead of trusting people to make up their own minds.

People today are willing to do it because the education system is also built that way now... so you tell me... how do you fix our political system? You start by fixing our educational system.