Would You Choose More Money or Less Hours?

[Smitty-48]

I hate being pessimistic about it, but the current revolution doesn't seem to be geared towards fixing the situation. It's not that there is no conceivable solution, but rather that there is not even universal recognition of the problem.

There's no such thing as universal recognition in a raucus and free democratic process, universal recognition is the stock and trade of a totalitarian dictatorship, moreoever, within the context of a raucus democratic process where people are free to disagree vehemently with your proscriptions; the perfect is the enemy of the good.

[Fife]

I hate being pessimistic about it, but the current revolution doesn't seem to be geared towards fixing the situation. It's not that there is no conceivable solution, but rather that there is not even universal recognition of the problem.

There's no such thing as universal recognition in a raucus and free democratic process, universal recognition is the stock and trade of a totalitarian dictatorship, moreoever, within the context of a raucus democractic process where people are free to disagree vehemently with your proscriptions, the perfect is the enemy of the good.

Roger that. "Universal recognition" of a problem is endgame, Broh-ham. It presupposes that you've bought into the idea of "fixing the situation."

[Smitty-48]

You certainly don't want sky is falling pessimists for the sake of being pessimists being the benchmark of "universal recognition", America never prospered on the back of nay saying sky is fallers, if you don't have a shining city on the hill narrative to sell, you're not going to win many elections in the good ol' US of A anyways, sky is falling pessimism doesn't get you anywhere, except cowering in the bottom of your trenches.

If you're not going to buck up, and then ruck up, then just stay out of the way, pessimists; forecheck, backcheck, paycheck, bro.

[Montegriffo]

Racist. Fuck him, and good riddance.

Now what does that remind me of ? Oh yeah it's what you said all the anti Trump SJW's have been shouting for the year running up to the election.
So it's alright to point out racist statements again now is it?

[Okeefenokee]

Racist. Fuck him, and good riddance.

Now what does that remind me of ? Oh yeah it's what you said all the anti Trump SJW's have been shouting for the year running up to the election.
So it's alright to point out racist statements again now is it?

You're confusing trying to shut down debate on a topic like immigration by calling someone racist with someone ginning up racial tension by making disparaging remarks about someone's race. It's okay, I'll hold your hand on this one.

If I say that half the federal crime in the entire nation happens along the border, and that two thirds of women who cross the border illegally are raped along the way, and that we should secure our border so that it isn't such a lawless region, and you respond by calling me racist, that is what we saw throughout the entire election, and it didn't work. That's not racism. That's leftists trying to shut down a debate, because they have no way to argue that issue.

Now, if you get up on a stage and you want to steal votes away from your primary opponent, and you decide it's the black votes you're gonna shoot for, you might try vilifying white people. If you're Bernie Sanders, that's what you've been doing the whole time, you've just been using wealthy as a euphemism for white, but all that's gotten you is a bunch of white college kids, so you decide to get more blatant about what you're saying, and openly disparage white people on live television. Whether or not he's actually racist isn't certain based on that, but he's definitely using racist messages to win support, but it didn't work.

I know it can be hard to wrap your head around these very complex ideas, but do try, because I won't always be here to hold your hand.

[jbird4049]

Let's use absurd exaggerated reasoning shall we? No issue will have complete agreement. Some people believe the Earth is flat. However, if it hurts your paycheck, or makes actual deep, not surface, thinking needed, people usual punt. It is usually not malice.

Think of the Koch Brothers economic philosophy, and their awful refusal to see the harm they do. But they don't wake up everyday thinking how great is will be to poison more children with their pollution, or how wonderful it is to increase the wealth gap. But their beliefs benefit them personally, and does support their actions. They believe in the goodness of their beliefs. Indeed, they are supporters of criminal justice reform. However, some will actively spread bullshit, you know, lies, like the tobacco industry did to keep things the same. You should see the heads of the big tobacco companies testimony to Congress It was a masterwork of mendacity.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Come now jbird, something that is imperfectible is obviously unimprovable.

[jbird4049]

Racist. Fuck him, and good riddance.

Now what does that remind me of ? Oh yeah it's what you said all the anti Trump SJW's have been shouting for the year running up to the election.
So it's alright to point out racist statements again now is it?

You're confusing trying to shut down debate on a topic like immigration by calling someone racist with someone ginning up racial tension by making disparaging remarks about someone's race. It's okay, I'll hold your hand on this one.

If I say that half the federal crime in the entire nation happens along the border, and that two thirds of women who cross the border illegally are raped along the way, and that we should secure our border so that it isn't such a lawless region, and you respond by calling me racist, that is what we saw throughout the entire election, and it didn't work. That's not racism. That's leftists trying to shut down a debate, because they have no way to argue that issue.

Now, if you get up on a stage and you want to steal votes away from your primary opponent, and you decide it's the black votes you're gonna shoot for, you might try vilifying white people. If you're Bernie Sanders, that's what you've been doing the whole time, you've just been using wealthy as a euphemism for white, but all that's gotten you is a bunch of white college kids, so you decide to get more blatant about what you're saying, and openly disparage white people on live television. Whether or not he's actually racist isn't certain based on that, but he's definitely using racist messages to win support, but it didn't work.

I know it can be hard to wrap your head around these very complex ideas, but do try, because I won't always be here to hold your hand.

Both Parties support illegal, uncheck, immigration because upper classes, especially the elite donor class, benefit from that cheap illegal labor (who are destitute, and can't depend on the law). Also the Democratic Party thinks that in long term, the children of the immigrants will vote Democratic.

The fact that the immigrants who are here have almost no where to go, because even if they are living in shacks, or in the hills, working for pennies, it's often better than where they left, or the fact that the poor, and working, class Americans wages are getting crushed means nothing to them. Indeed, big business wants the wages to be crushed.

What the parties do do is use the dog whistle of race to rile up their bases' support. The more xenophobic Americans do tend to be very conservative Republicans. The Republican Party says they'll protect them from those nasty people, just vote Republican. The Democratic Party says see what those hateful Republicans are doing, vote for us, we'll protect you. Meanwhile, behind that smoke screen, the parties proceed to impoverish the entire lower 80% across the political spectrum. Of course, the upper 20% do tend to be xenophobic of the lower 80% especially of the conservative bent (though poor liberals are often lumped in.)

The fact that both parties have abandon economically 80% of the country is the reason for both Trump, and Sanders, because both acknowledge the wizard behind the curtain, and say they will fight for them.

And frankly, what is this shit about Bernie Sanders? His entire message for the past 40 years has been about the growing wealth gap, and the increasing corruption. That is why he has been shut out of power in Washington, and why black activists almost destroyed his campaign when it first began. I cannot stop anyone from hyperfocusing on his record, but just like when BLM interfered with his campaign for his not focusing enough, or at all actually, on race, others want to focus just on his statements since. That's being the political establishment's bitch, which I refuse to be.

Finally, using the term "the working class" has been called a coded reference to whites, and now some say talking about the wealthy is talking about whites?

There are white racists, there are black racists, just a there are poor racists, and wealthy racists. There are even wealthy white racists, and probably wealthy black racists!

[Okeefenokee]

You talk about the US like we're living in Liberia.

The overall median has continued to rise steadily, if slowly, to $57,616 in September 2016.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household ... ted_States

[Montegriffo]

You're confusing trying to shut down debate on a topic like immigration by calling someone racist with someone ginning up racial tension by making disparaging remarks about someone's race. It's okay, I'll hold your hand on this one.

Oh I get it now, it's one rule for you and another rule for me. Thanks for clearing that up.