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[Ex-California]

The primary mistake was allying with Germany. They can't win once they do that. Russia is going to beat Germany, with or without help. Once that happens Stalin isn't going to forget about Japan. Japan had no intention of harassing Russia, they were way committed in China.

I don't think US declares ware without being attacked, sure, but even if the US stays neutral, Axis still loses. Russia was a beast and the British had the brains.

Yeah, but could Russia or Britain have survived the early years without Lend Lease? Was the US really neutral once we started that policy? Even Russia was using American equipment before they got the Far Eastern production up and running

[SuburbanFarmer]

The primary mistake was allying with Germany. They can't win once they do that. Russia is going to beat Germany, with or without help. Once that happens Stalin isn't going to forget about Japan. Japan had no intention of harassing Russia, they were way committed in China.

I don't think US declares ware without being attacked, sure, but even if the US stays neutral, Axis still loses. Russia was a beast and the British had the brains.

They still lose, but it takes a long, long, LONG time to march the Germans all the way back to the French coast. The Brits were on their knees, and stayed there for the remainder of the war. Also, if Italy doesn't bitch out early, the war turns a different way as well. More African/ME control = a whole lot more resources and troops for the Reich.

[Cid]

According to post-war analysis, nope they didn't need it. Britain does, and I think it would be a weird world where we didn't trade with the other English speaking superpower, but Russia had already faced the best of the Nazis without lend lease. Remember they had a non-aggression pact up until Barbarossa. Stalin's Russia beats the best of the third reich by being a bunch of legendary badasses and dying well enough to stem the tide. Maybe the British don't halt Germany in N.Africa, but doesn't really matter.

Edit: Hate to shit on Italy, but given how Normandy turned out, I don't think Italy matters either.

Edit2: That is to say, Germany was going to keep troops in France, had to, but it was an occupying force. Germany was just spread too thin, they needed more than a generation after WWI and they only got one.

[skankhunt42]

We grew closer to Japanese culture, and vice versa. Americans love Japanese culture, and Japanese love American culture. There exists a kind of cultural dialog played out in our films and literature. For instance, during the occupation, Japanese were exposed to American films and fell in love with the western genre. Their directors adapted the western to Japanese culture to produce amazing films like Seven Samurai. Americans loved that film and themselves adapted it back to American culture in the form of Magnificent Seven.

Even Star Wars is an adaptation from the Japanese samurai genre, which was an adaptation of American western genre. Thus Star Wars is considered by some critics to be a western, and by others to be a samurai film, and perhaps they are both correct.

The war with Japan was unfortunate. I'd rather focus upon the bonds between our two nations dating back to the 19th century.

Wonderful post. I hope that in the future we can maintain good relations with Japan. I'm a fan.

[Cid]

Just curious, what Bond from the 19th century? We inadvertently instigated the Meiji restoration, but they weren't exactly super cool with that. Commodore Perry's arrival was considered a pretty dark day for their national pride.

[Montegriffo]

So did Japans Torranto raid turn into their Barbarossa. There were Japanese aides present at the British carrier raid on the Italian fleet in harbour. The raid even with it's cloth covered Fairy Swordfish biplanes effectively nullified the Italian Navy and left the Med dominated by British warships.
Could make a case that Britain was in some ways responsible for the attack at Pearl harbour.

[Cid]

Carrier and air superiority over the navy was known well before Britain, but everyone knows how the big battleships were fetishized by the navy. Hell even Japan feel into that trap.

And navy's aren't monoliths, admirals sometimes notwithstanding. You get some influential people that focus on one strat, you get other that push for another. Its why US subs accounted for the majority of enemy ships sunk but accounted for less than five percent of our navy.

[Montegriffo]

Carrier and air superiority over the navy was known well before Britain, but everyone knows how the big battleships were fetishized by the navy. Hell even Japan feel into that trap.

And navy's aren't monoliths, admirals sometimes notwithstanding. You get some influential people that focus on one strat, you get other that push for another. Its why US subs accounted for the majority of enemy ships sunk but accounted for less than five percent of our navy.

True enough although carrier superiority was a theory until demonstrated by Ark Royal.
Also true about battleships, the General Belgrano was actually a pearl harbour survivor before it was sold to the Argentinians and sunk by a British submarine.

Incidently the last British warship from the Falklands conflict set sail for the last time today on it's way to be scrapped. The carrier HMS Illustrious.

[Cid]

Hate that. I realize its a legit financial decision and they no longer serve a purpose, but they're neat. You can still find carriers. Lexington in Texas, Intrepid in New York, probably one out in Cali. However the only dreadnaught I know of is in Texas, the USS Texas actually near the San Jacinto monument. Got to go through her after one restoration, and it was great. A ship of the kind that inspired the arms race that shaped centuries.

[Montegriffo]

There has been talk of turning it into a museum, much like WWI's HMS Belfast moored across the river from the palace of Westminster but the costs were just too high.
Recycling is good though, embrace it.