Movie Reviews

[SuburbanFarmer]

Is any sort of rebellion considered 'left-wing'? Timmy McVeigh may disagree..

Well, he kills rich stock brockers for being mean...
And he accuses a rich mayor candidate of not understanding what the poor are going through...
And his getto dwelling followers kill police officers and light shit on fire, with signs that say "kill the rich".

Doesn't seem like its aimed at the right of centre.

Given that the truly rich in America are generally the beneficiaries and instigators of corrupt government policy, and enforced monopoly…. A little class warfare seems entirely justified.

If anything though, isn’t he standing for the rights of the individual against the greater Machine?

[SuburbanFarmer]

See - this is where I fall off the bus with Conservatives. Mega-corp monstrosities do not represent the 'free market'. If anything, the right has been duped into defending totalitarianism and corruption, along with the left.

Burn. it. All.

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[Hastur]

Joker isn't political in the left vs right fashion. It's probably hard to understand when you live in a reality where everything is seen through the lens of political partisanship. When it came out, it was seen as a MAGA incel manifesto. Today, people see it as an ANTIFA or BLM apologist movie.
It's first and foremost a study of descent into madness. Joaquin Phoenix is amazing. The dance scene in the restroom was a spontaneous improvisation. They just kept the cameras rolling.
The way it is written, you have no real idea what is real and what is in his mind. You perceive the same reality as he does. Towards the end, as things starts to unravel, he can't take it anymore and the audience, realizing the truth, can distance themselves while still sympathizing with Joker, knowing where he comes from. In that way, he is similar to Walter White. (Even if it doesn't make them heroes)

[Hastur]

[The Conservative]

Joker isn't political in the left vs right fashion. It's probably hard to understand when you live in a reality where everything is seen through the lens of political partisanship. When it came out, it was seen as a MAGA incel manifesto. Today, people see it as an ANTIFA or BLM apologist movie.
It's first and foremost a study of descent into madness. Joaquin Phoenix is amazing. The dance scene in the restroom was a spontaneous improvisation. They just kept the cameras rolling.
The way it is written, you have no real idea what is real and what is in his mind. You perceive the same reality as he does. Towards the end, as things starts to unravel, he can't take it anymore and the audience, realizing the truth, can distance themselves while still sympathizing with Joker, knowing where he comes from. In that way, he is similar to Walter White. (Even if it doesn't make them heroes)

Well, it's hard to view The Joker without a political spectrum today because that is what they have made him out to be it seems.

The original Joker’s plan in the comics originally had nothing to do with politics, seeing things burn down, etc.

It was to make Batman cross the line of his morals. Not to kill.

The Joker blamed Batman for his creation, and in a way Batman did as well. Batman thought he could save The Joker, while on the other hand the Joker wanted nothing more than to meantally break”The Bat” so Batman would cross that infamous line.

If you go by the original show, he was “The clown of Chaos”

Then in the early 90s with the Animated Series, he seemed to have a purpose.

If you follow the games, well... Depending on the version... He's all over the place.

Today in the movies, well... He is more true to his original statement in being a “clown of chaos” but regretfully they made him political as well.

[DrYouth]

Joker is a clown of chaos... basically the rebel without a cause.
He embodies the path of Cain.
Burn down the system that created Abel... and damn the consequences.
Peterson gets this biblical story right on the money.

The mob has no idea what system to put in its place.
Just burn it down.
Burn down the Megacorps.... Burn down the Judiciary.... Burn down Capitalism
And then dance on the ashes.

That's the left at the extreme.

The right is more like "prop it up".
And at the extremes it is like propping up a blind corpse.

With MAGA - it seemed to me there were some elements of both.

MAGA wanted to burn down the "lefty elites"... who had betrayed them... which of course they had.
Trump was, in effect, a bit of a chaos clown himself.
But his pitch was to return to when America was great.
And he was going to stand up to the swamp monsters who betrayed the little guys.
And hopefully bring the soldiers home... he talked law and order... not defund the police.
He may not have accomplished this... but his message was more right than left.

[C-Mag]

I watched the latest Joker flick. The acting was good, the story was good, loved it being set in the 70s. But I never really identified with the Joker much.

[The Conservative]

Joker is a clown of chaos... basically the rebel without a cause.
He embodies the path of Cain.
Burn down the system that created Abel... and damn the consequences.
Peterson gets this biblical story right on the money.

The mob has no idea what system to put in its place.
Just burn it down.
Burn down the Megacorps.... Burn down the Judiciary.... Burn down Capitalism
And then dance on the ashes.

That's the left at the extreme.

The right is more like "prop it up".
And at the extremes it is like propping up a blind corpse.

With MAGA - it seemed to me there were some elements of both.

MAGA wanted to burn down the "lefty elites"... who had betrayed them... which of course they had.
Trump was, in effect, a bit of a chaos clown himself.
But his pitch was to return to when America was great.
And he was going to stand up to the swamp monsters who betrayed the little guys.
And hopefully bring the soldiers home... he talked law and order... not defund the police.
He may not have accomplished this... but his message was more right than left.

That's the modern-day Joker, the one that was around 20+ years ago wasn't chaotic, he had a reason for everything... it just didn't seem like it.

[GloryofGreece]

Looking forward to Dune and the new season of See.

[Hastur]

Looking forward to seeing this. Won't hit the big screen here, so I'll have to do with streaming.