Game of Thrones - mostly

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Re: Game of Thrones - mostly

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Thu May 30, 2019 8:46 am

DrY you’re giving these clowns wayyyyyyyyy too much credit dude.

Excellent Analysis tho.
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Post by DrYouth » Thu May 30, 2019 9:17 am

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 8:46 am
DrY you’re giving these clowns wayyyyyyyyy too much credit dude.

Excellent Analysis tho.
Hey I'm not saying this was the conscious intention of the writers.
But the themes in it are a reflection of the archetypes at play in our current age... as is all artwork... ranging from extremes of crap to genius.
What makes great artwork great is that it reflects or redeems these archetypes in some meaningful way.

GOT was not in the end great artwork... it could have been, but ultimately it didn't live up to it's potential.

But it was fun to watch and mostly fun to shitpost about.
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Re: Game of Thrones - mostly

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Fri May 31, 2019 6:27 pm

Agreed on that.
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Post by StCapps » Fri May 31, 2019 8:29 pm

Considering how shitty fantasy shows have been in the past, Game of Thrones was a huge step up for the genre. If you were expecting way more than what you got, your expectations were set too high, especially given that the source material wasn't as good in the last two books that have been released, and the last two books in the series have yet to be written. It's really hard to nail the landing of that kind of show, and though they sacrificed several seasons to set up that ending and misused the best character in the show, it's ending still exceeded my expectations.

If it could have avoided the drop off in Seasons 5-7 that would have been nice, but they tried to milk it too long, gave important characters plot armor, gave important end game characters lesser material until the endgame, and spent too much time on filler.
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Post by GloryofGreece » Fri May 31, 2019 9:26 pm

They had enough money and time. The D/D duo fucked it. They wanted to tidy up and leave. So they rushed a good thing.
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Re: Game of Thrones - mostly

Post by StCapps » Fri May 31, 2019 9:47 pm

GloryofGreece wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 9:26 pm
They had enough money and time. The D/D duo fucked it. They wanted to tidy up and leave. So they rushed a good thing.
They did the opposite of rush it, they stalled for three seasons and it went downhill as a result, before they speed up the pacing and delivered a better final season than the previous three, to put a bow on it. Game of Thrones lingered too long and should have ended before the stall tactics watered down the show, rushing it was not the problem, milking the franchise for cash was the problem.

More episodes is not always better, especially for TV drama's, the sweet spot is actually in and around 60 episodes.
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Post by GloryofGreece » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:58 am

StCapps wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 9:47 pm
GloryofGreece wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 9:26 pm
They had enough money and time. The D/D duo fucked it. They wanted to tidy up and leave. So they rushed a good thing.
They did the opposite of rush it, they stalled for three seasons and it went downhill as a result, before they speed up the pacing and delivered a better final season than the previous three, to put a bow on it. Game of Thrones lingered too long and should have ended before the stall tactics watered down the show, rushing it was not the problem, milking the franchise for cash was the problem.

More episodes is not always better, especially for TV drama's, the sweet spot is actually in and around 60 episodes.
I hear what you've initially said but I refuse to believe in some " scientific management " metric like " 60 episodes" or that the main problem was GOT was too long or that it shouldn't have been longer . The characters were there and they had arcs to flesh out. For example the unraveling of Khaleesi would have been better served had it played out across an entire season .
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Re: Game of Thrones - mostly

Post by StCapps » Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:50 am

GloryofGreece wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:58 am
For example the unraveling of Khaleesi would have been better served had it played out across an entire season .
It did, it was literally the main arc of the final season. Game of Thrones went on too long, if it hadn't gone on too long then it wouldn't have gone downhill for three seasons before it got the final season, the writers clearly ran out of good material and were stalling until the final season for many of it's most important characters to do something interesting for a change.
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Post by heydaralon » Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:49 pm

StCapps wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:50 am
GloryofGreece wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:58 am
For example the unraveling of Khaleesi would have been better served had it played out across an entire season .
It did, it was literally the main arc of the final season. Game of Thrones went on too long, if it hadn't gone on too long then it wouldn't have gone downhill for three seasons before it got the final season, the writers clearly ran out of good material and were stalling until the final season for many of it's most important characters to do something interesting for a change.
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Re: Game of Thrones - mostly

Post by brewster » Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:11 pm

I was just reading a book review about what happened to Charlemagne's empire after it was broken up among his grandsons. How long do you figure before a new "King of the Six Kingdoms" who knows not Sansa decides that he should have 7 and attacks The North?
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