The, "All Things English" thread

[Smitty-48]

It's one big war.

It all starts when Churchill insists that the British Empire enter into Franco-Prussian War Two.

It does not escalate to become more than Franco-Prussian War Two, until the British Empire enters the war.

It is the global British Empire which escalates it to a World War.

That was all Churchill.

The Second War was just a do-ever, Churchill ginning that one up as well, then taking over once he got it going.

[Speaker to Animals]

Consider this:

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premiu ... -1.5491166

And this was FDR:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ ... 180957324/


Fuck those guys. Evil.

[Smitty-48]

FDR was like a fanboi.

First he fell under the spell of Churchill.

Then he spurned Churchill in favour of his "Dear Mister Stalin".

[Smitty-48]

Churchill's strategy was to butter FDR up. Appeals to his vanity.

But eventually Churchill becomes an annoyance. More trouble than he's worth.

But then here comes Stalin.

Enigmatic. Stone Cold Steve Stalin. Stalin doesn't suck up to anybody.

But this is even more attractive to FDR, FDR builds Stalin up in his mind into some sort of Soviet Superman.

Drinks the Stalin Kool-Aid basically.

[brewster]

Churchill's strategy was to butter FDR up. Appeals to his vanity.

But eventually Churchill becomes an annoyance. More trouble than he's worth.

But then here comes Stalin.

Enigmatic. Stone Cold Steve Stalin. Stalin doesn't suck up to anybody.

But this is even more attractive to FDR, FDR builds Stalin up in his mind into some sort of Soviet Superman.

Drinks the Stalin Kool-Aid basically.

Stalin sucked up to Hitler, even let Hitler test his tanks there out of the allied eyes in the 30's, and was astounded that Hitler betrayed him. FDR got Stalin to win the fucking war for him, gave him material and let Russians die in vast numbers. It was a play from the British Napoleonic era handbook of paying Continental allies to take it on the chin.

Churchill as Bogeyman doesn't hold water. He wasn't even in government until the day war was declared.

[Smitty-48]

Churchill was the one ginning the war up while Chamberlain was trying to avoid it.

Churchill creates the self fulfilling prophecy for his WWI do-ever, sweeping Chamberlain aside, in order for Churchill to parachute into the drivers seat of the war he wanted from the get go.

[brewster]

Churchill was the one ginning the war up while Chamberlain was trying to avoid it.

He was out of government, called a crank, and his writing was being ignored. Besides, he was right, Hitler WAS a menace to civilization.

[StCapps]

Churchill was the one ginning the war up while Chamberlain was trying to avoid it.

He was out of government, called a crank, and his writing was being ignored. Besides, he was right, Hitler WAS a menace to civilization.

Hitler was a menace to the British Empire, only after they allied with Italy, Britain did not go to war to save Europe, that's bullshit propaganda they tell themselves to cover for Churchill's incompetence.

Churchill was a far bigger warmonger than Adolf Hitler, wise up, stop believing bullshit.

[Smitty-48]

In terms of Hitler and Stalin, Stalin betrays Hitler first.

Stalin and Hitler agree to invade Poland at the same time.

Stalin however holds back for a week when Germany goes in.

That is the week where Britain and France declare war on Germany, but not the Soviets.

Stalin lures Hitler into the trap, because Stalin wants the British, French and Germans to go to war with each other again.

The plan being for Stalin to invade from the East once they had exhausted themselves in the trenches.

What Stalin is not expecting is for Germany to win in the West in six weeks.

This is what throws a monkey wrench into Stalin's attack plans.

Stalin then tries to stall for time by sucking up to Hitler.

Hitler however rounds on him, in order to beat Stalin to the punch, which he does.

[Smitty-48]

In terms of Stalin being shocked, he's not so much shocked that the Nazis would ever invade.

He was just sure that he had Hitler fooled, he fooled him once, Hitler didn't seem any the wiser.