Capitalist Realism vs. Jordan Peterson

[GloryofGreece]

Interesting counter to Peterson (in some ways). At least fairly thought provoking. But it does make me a bit pessimistic overall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGld3FbDY6s

[Fife]

I ain't clicking that shit just yet.

Give me the QRD on the definition of "Capitalist Realism."

I don't know that term of art, or whatever it is supposed to be.

[Speaker to Animals]

I made it about 1 minute into when they disclaimed that they publish degenerate gay material and espouse critical theory (Marxism), and would celebrate Richard Spencer's death.

They ain't gonna defeat Jordan Peterson. That's Richard Spencer's job..

[Fife]

Wow, I'm happy you clicked that shit instead of me, as it turns our then.

[Speaker to Animals]

They literally admitted they espouse critical theory and publish gay degeneracy. I am not putting words in their mouth here.

[Speaker to Animals]

The future of the West, if it doesn't die, is a battle between camps best represented by Peterson and Spencer. Those two guys need to battle it out.

Neocons are dead. Libertarians are fucking hilariously dead.

Marxism is either going to kill us all or we are going to gas them.

It comes down to classical liberalism (Peterson) or ethno-centric/tribalism (Spencer).

The dangers here being.. on the Peterson side, we are just setting back the clock only to repeat, and on the Spencer side, national socialism kind of sounds like a bad idea, historically, but who am I to judge?

[Martin Hash]

I just did “First Friday,” artsy-fartsy night in Old Town, and it’s clear if my concept of The Center does not catch, we’re going socialist Europe at least. Anybody under 30 is gone, and their kids are full-on Soyboys. Libertarianism, Nationalism, Conservatism, even combined, doesn’t have the numbers. You can claim that a-rising-tide-lifts-all-ships, and revere the aristocracy all you want, a democratic tsunami is coming.

[GloryofGreece]

I ain't clicking that shit just yet.

Give me the QRD on the definition of "Capitalist Realism."

I don't know that term of art, or whatever it is supposed to be.

In the late 2000s, Fisher re-purposed the term "capitalist realism" to describe "the widespread sense that not only is capitalism the only viable political and economic system, but also that it is now impossible even to imagine a coherent alternative to it".[14] He expanded on the concept in his 2009 book Capitalist Realism: Is There No Alternative?,[15] arguing that the term best describes the ideological situation since the fall of the Soviet Union, in which the logics of capitalism have come to delineate the limits of political and social life, with significant effects on education, mental illness, pop culture, and methods of resistance.[15] The result is a situation in which it is "easier to imagine an end to the world than an end to capitalism."[16] Fisher writes:

Capitalist realism as I understand it cannot be confined to art or to the quasi-propagandistic way in which advertising functions. It is more like a pervasive atmosphere, conditioning not only the production of culture but also the regulation of work and education, and acting as a kind of invisible barrier constraining thought and action.[17]

As a philosophical concept, capitalist realism is influenced by the Althusserian conception of ideology, as well as the work of Fredric Jameson and Slavoj Žižek.[18] Fisher proposes that within a capitalist framework there is no space to conceive of alternative forms of social structures, adding that younger generations are not even concerned with recognizing alternatives.[19] He proposes that the 2008 financial crisis compounded this position; rather than catalyzing a desire to seek alternatives for the existing model, the response to the crisis reinforced the notion that modifications must be made within the existing system. Fisher argues that capitalist realism has propagated a 'business ontology' which concludes that everything should be run as a business including education and healthcare.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Fish ... early_life

[DrYouth]

Viable approaches to governing outside the Marxist/Capitalist divide are certainly in short order.

The entire discussion is too nuanced for most people these days.

In fact it gets as polarized and as Government Bad! / Government Good!

We could do a lot better.

[Speaker to Animals]

I disagree. There are other options. Distributism was a good idea that was never really tried on a national level.

Other options include changing how workers are paid. Instead of wages, they get a percentage of the business revenue, which aligns their interests with those of the business.

Free markets are fine. We probably will keep those. But capitalism is pretty well walking dead right now, victim of its own success. Technology advances will make it unworkable without some massive welfare state that eventually strangles the life out of it. Obviously something has to change.