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Re: International sports bar

Post by Montegriffo » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:11 am

Making the world cup 80% European turns it into another European championships.
This isn't the world series of baseball. The world in world cup actually means the world.
Have I said world enough now to get the point over?
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Re: International sports bar

Post by StCapps » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:21 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:11 am
Making the world cup 80% European turns it into another European championships.
This isn't the world series of baseball. The world in world cup actually means the world.
Have I said world enough now to get the point over?
It's not a European Cup if the most dominant teams in the World who aren't from Europe are also in the World Cup, which they would be. Not only that but World Cup's would have a higher strength of competition and winning would mean more when they aren't beating up on shit competition, which just diminishes their accomplishment.

Nothing is stopping non-European teams from making the World Cup, they just have to step their game up. If you still want a quota, makes it so that one team from every region has to be part of the World Cup, instead of this letting garbage North American and Asian teams take spots from actually good soccer teams, just because they finished fourth in a garbage region or whatever.

More European countries should be involved, trying to keep quality European teams out is a bug, not a feature. Pretending it's a feature is asinine, what matters is who is the best, not that every nation in the world gets to participate regardless of quality, and water down the accomplishment just to include the whole fucking world.
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Re: International sports bar

Post by Montegriffo » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:29 am

If Italy had been good enough to get to the finals they wouldn't have failed to qualify.
They came second to Spain in their group who didn't even make it past the first knockout round.
No one missed Italy.
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Re: International sports bar

Post by StCapps » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:32 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:29 am
If Italy had been good enough to get to the finals they wouldn't have failed to qualify.
They came second to Spain in their group who didn't even make it past the first knockout round.
No one missed Italy.
That's not the point. The point is the best teams should qualify for the world cup, worse teams shouldn't get in just because better teams would have likely lost too and the want way too many teams from some regions of the world in because of lame virtue signaling about inclusivity. Watering the tournament down diminishes the accomplishment, letting Panama in and keeping Italy out is fucking asinine. Let Italy lose, fuck Panama.
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Re: International sports bar

Post by Montegriffo » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:34 am

If the best teams went then 20 out of the 32 nations would be European going by the world rankings.
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Re: International sports bar

Post by StCapps » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:39 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:34 am
If the best teams went then 20 out of the 32 nations would be European going by the world rankings.
Well don't go just by the lame FIFA rankings, make them play for it. But I see nothing wrong with 20 out 32 nations being European, if a good team craps the bed in qualifying, too bad, but if they do good in qualifying, especially in a strong region, and miss out because of high quotas from weak regions, that's just dumb.

12 of 32, that's plenty of representation from the rest of the world, and the teams in the rest of the world that make it will include no watered bullshit teams getting by on excessively high quotas from shit regions. Ain't no need to include Panama unless they actually get good at soccer, at least tone the quotas down a bit, be reasonable.
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Re: International sports bar

Post by Montegriffo » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:12 am

StCapps wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:21 am
instead of this letting garbage North American and Asian teams take spots from actually good soccer teams, just because they finished fourth in a garbage region or whatever.
So what you are saying is that second-tier nations should never get the opportunity to improve?
Reaching the finals is a massive boost both in public interest (therefore future players) and financial rewards.
The USA would give even less of a shit about soccer if they had not had all the easy qualifications. Instead, they are now ranked 30th in the world so would make your ''best teams in the world'' standard.
Football is a forward-thinking sport. That's why the world cup is second only to the Olympics in terms of worldwide viewing figures and football is the richest sport by far.
Your love for the football elite's status-quo would stifle the game and it would stagnate into an irrelevant little regional sport like ice hockey.
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Re: International sports bar

Post by Fife » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:17 am

FIFA really has it all figured out.

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Re: International sports bar

Post by Montegriffo » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:19 am

Not only that, you would rid the sport of those awesome underdog wins.
Look at how much pleasure people got when Iceland knocked England out of the Euros. Even I was rooting for them by the second half and they were thoroughly deserving of the win.
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Re: International sports bar

Post by Montegriffo » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:20 am

Fife wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:17 am
FIFA really has it all figured out.
Viewing figures and bank balance confirms this.
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