The, "All Things English" thread

[Smitty-48]

Once you realize that Churchill incited the First World War which led to the Second World War, because Churchill was a warmonger, and Britain lost both wars, then you have to ask, what did he win in the end?

America certainly won the wars and perhaps everything from the hydrogen bomb to the internet is a good thing, but what did that do for dyed in the wool British Imperialist warmonger Churchill?

See, knowing Churchill, if I had a time machine, I would go back and tell him; no, no, Kaiser Bill is not your enemy, and if you go against him, this will be a disaster for you and your Empire which you love so much.

[Smitty-48]

There is a Brit on the Canadian forum, and he says to me "well, it was time for the Empire to go anyways"

Because he's a lefty, looking at it with hindsight.

But nobody actually said that in 1914, certainly not the Britons, certainly not Churchill.

Remember quantum mechanics, nothing says the world had to turn out like this.

If Churchill had not insisted that Britain incite the Great War over Belgian Neutrality, the timeline could have turned out much differently, postmodernity I would submit, would probably never have happened.

We could still be living in Churchill's Empire now, technology not having progressed much in a hundred years.

[C-Mag]

If Churchill hadn't insisted that Britain charge into Franco-Prussian War Two in 1914, there never would have been a Hitler in the first place.

Churchill altered the course of human history in 1914, but what did he win?

Empire; gone. Britain; bankrupt. Where is the win?

h/t

I'll think about that a spell

[Smitty-48]

Hey, big win for Wall Street, big win for America, yuge.

Global hegemonic succession from London to Washington.

But what did Churchill win?

At the end of it all, at Yalta in 45', FDR pushes Churchill aside and says America and the Soviet Union will rule.

Where's the upside for Churchill and his beloved Empire?

Literally FDR and his new protege Stalin, laughing and making fun of Churchill and those British fools.

It was FDR who created the United Nations, and it was going to be a duopoly between America and the Soviets.

The British were deliberately cut out of the loop.

[Smitty-48]

I think the Western Allies would have done much worse at Yalta if it weren't for Winston, as it was FDR was no help

Churchill and Thatcher were not the same. Churchill was actually a yuge nanny police state central planner.

Thatcher was actually the revolution against Churchill's socialist Britain.

Just fyi.

[Smitty-48]

See, this is why I am hostile to Churchill.

Because I am a Thatcherite, and Churchill was the very essence of Big Government.

The Big Government Nanny State which Churchill made, is the very thing that Thatcher went to war against.

Thatcher was trying to demobilize, the bloated leviathan which Churchill had built.

The Queen also did not like Thatcher, the Queen was with Churchill, but Thatcher was having none of it.

Thatcher looked to America, Thatcher was trying to drag Britain out of the socialist ditch.

But that ditch was dug by Churchill, Churchill was in fact a Cuck.

Now you know Reagan wouldn't have said anything mean about Churchill, just out of respect for his elders.

But if you had presented Churchill's policies to Reagan, without telling him it was Churchill who made them?

Reagan would have said "Communist Sympathizer".

Thatcher however knew exactly what Churchill was about, and she was out to undo it.

Even here in Canader, I live under the socialist yoke of Churchill.

It's the same nanny police state which Churchill built, which simply declined to demobilize after the war.

Churchill is not who you think he is, he was only conservative about the Empire.

If he had to use communism to prop it up, not only would he, that's exactly what he did.

All those American soldiers who died in North Africa and Italy, they were fighting for Churchill.

What was Churchill fighting for? Freedom and democracy? No.

The route to Suez, India and the Far East beyond, British Imperial jackboots upon their throats.

In both wars, Churchill and the British were fighting for one thing and one thing only; it was all about Suez.

[StCapps]

We may be living under Churchill's socialist yoke, but since he also made post-modernity possible, he also built in the escape hatch from it as well, by transferring the Empire from Britain to America. It's no wonder he drank so much, because deep down, he knows it was his fault the Empire he loved so much is no more, and if that isn't enough to drive a man to drink, then what is?

Churchill's legacy is a complicated one, no doubt.

[Smitty-48]

Good for us perhaps, but that was never Churchill's plan, Churchill was convinced that he could get America and the Soviets to save the Empire for Britain, so while we may have won something, Churchill lost all.

[StCapps]

Good for us perhaps, but that was never Churchill's plan, Churchill was convinced that he could get America and the Soviets to save the Empire for Britain, so while we may have won something, Churchill lost all.

Indeed. Thanks for taking one for the team Churchill. Imperial Suicide through Belgian Neutrality, with no one to blame but himself, poor bastard. That shit had to have weighed on his conscience.

[Smitty-48]

And Churchill lamented it, he cursed it, he was distraught, when the Americans cut Churchill out of the loop, he basically had a nervous breakdown, and it was his wife who tore a strip off of him for it.

She'd had enough of him. She snapped and went ballistic on him.