Weather Channel - Florence Edition

[heydaralon]

And I confirmed your original point before you began to lecture me on the kinds of hurricanes I have endured I don't know how many times growing up.

Your being in more hurricanes than me is not in dispute. That said, I have a far better understanding of the science of hurricanes. This really isn't up for debate. You sound silly pretending to understand the science of hurricanes while displaying nothing more than a layman's understanding of them.

You do realize that a lot of these hurricanes are merely tropical storms that simply have high winds right? Its false advertising. When I think of a hurricane I think of something on par with a Roland Emmerich movie or perhaps the film Armageddon. The reality is that most "hurricanes" are just some rain and wind. Sadly, the media likes to get people panicking and buying home depot supplies. It is absurd. Wind and rain have been with us for 100's of years. Maybe thousands. You don't hear Christopher Columbus or Leif Erikson complaining about them, because they weren't a big deal. Wind is nothing to write home about. Unless you live in drought stricken Ethiopia, neither is rain. Lets stop making a big deal about everyday occurences.

[Kath]

You do realize that a lot of these hurricanes are merely tropical storms that simply have high winds right? Its false advertising. When I think of a hurricane I think of something on par with a Roland Emmerich movie or perhaps the film Armageddon. The reality is that most "hurricanes" are just some rain and wind. Sadly, the media likes to get people panicking and buying home depot supplies. It is absurd. Wind and rain have been with us for 100's of years. Maybe thousands. You don't hear Christopher Columbus or Leif Erikson complaining about them, because they weren't a big deal. Wind is nothing to write home about. Unless you live in drought stricken Ethiopia, neither is rain. Lets stop making a big deal about everyday occurences.

STA seems knowledgeable after reading your reply. Hard to figure out where to start...

First, there is no such thing as a tropical storm with higher winds than a tropical storm. A storm with higher winds than a tropical storm, by definition, is called a hurricane.

All of these warm-core systems that emerge from the tropics are called tropical cyclones. The definitions between TS, Cat 1, Cat 2 etc are based on the exponential relationship between winds and damage but has no relationship to the amount of surge produced. It's a misleading wind scale.

For example, by your definition, Sandy was not a big deal in 2012. Yet, Sandy produced the highest surge ever recorded along the eastern seaboard because of the SIZE of the storm, not because of some small radii of maximum winds.

People forget that Katrina was "barely" a major hurricane when it put 30 feet of surge into MS/LA. New Orleans was actually on the weak side of the storm, but got historical surge due to the angle of approach and the until then record size of the cyclone. They say that Camille killed more people in Katrina than Katrina did, because, the people who live through Camille didn't account for the size of the storm.

Reality is the Atlantic is on the back side of a warm trend that dates back to 1995. If you look in the history of Atlantic storms from 1969-1994 it was remarkably quiet. South Florida went almost 30 years without a hurricane between Betsy and Andrew. Even Andrew, which was probably the wind event of the last 50 years, veered south in the last 12 hours and spared Miami at the expense of Homestead.

2010 was an epic year for tropical cyclones in the Atlantic, but no one remembers that because the USA didn't get hit. Look that one up.

Tropical cyclones in the Atlantic are not rare events in general, but having one hit your house in any one year is. The vast majority of people have never experienced being in the right front quad of a land-falling hurricane.

No hurricane has ever hit the US after being as far north and east as Florence was...owning to an exceptional 3 standard deviation ridge over the US east coast and western Atlantic. This is why it moved so slowly when approaching the coast. At least 26 people have died, many of whom drowned, due to ignorance of the real threat Florence presented.

And that's probably the theme to the reply here. You simply don't know what you're talking about on this topic, but we're in a message board, and you want some reads and replys, and you thought you had some authority because you lived in Florida once. News flash: most people who have ever lived in Florida have never experienced the core of a significant hurricane. But, the ones who have will always respect them for what they can do - and plan accordingly. Anyone in Homestead who lost their house, bank, workplace, cars and some friends, all in one night, will tell you the same.

I eagerly await your scientific reply...

[HarryK]

I believe that Thomas DeQuincey said that half of all human misery is a toothache. The other 3/4 is from traffic. I have taken years off my life punching my steering wheel and door handle screaming at Florida drivers.

And yet you wonder why my exodus from “God’s little graveyard” is nearly complete.

Well, now I don't. You made me get angry about living where I do you ass.

Cool your jets. Going back to the “Empire” state means more taxes and more corruption. Jeesh.

[TheReal_ND]

You do realize that a lot of these hurricanes are merely tropical storms that simply have high winds right? Its false advertising. When I think of a hurricane I think of something on par with a Roland Emmerich movie or perhaps the film Armageddon. The reality is that most "hurricanes" are just some rain and wind. Sadly, the media likes to get people panicking and buying home depot supplies. It is absurd. Wind and rain have been with us for 100's of years. Maybe thousands. You don't hear Christopher Columbus or Leif Erikson complaining about them, because they weren't a big deal. Wind is nothing to write home about. Unless you live in drought stricken Ethiopia, neither is rain. Lets stop making a big deal about everyday occurences.

STA seems knowledgeable after reading your reply. Hard to figure out where to start...

First, there is no such thing as a tropical storm with higher winds than a tropical storm. A storm with higher winds than a tropical storm, by definition, is called a hurricane.

All of these warm-core systems that emerge from the tropics are called tropical cyclones. The definitions between TS, Cat 1, Cat 2 etc are based on the exponential relationship between winds and damage but has no relationship to the amount of surge produced. It's a misleading wind scale.

For example, by your definition, Sandy was not a big deal in 2012. Yet, Sandy produced the highest surge ever recorded along the eastern seaboard because of the SIZE of the storm, not because of some small radii of maximum winds.

People forget that Katrina was "barely" a major hurricane when it put 30 feet of surge into MS/LA. New Orleans was actually on the weak side of the storm, but got historical surge due to the angle of approach and the until then record size of the cyclone. They say that Camille killed more people in Katrina than Katrina did, because, the people who live through Camille didn't account for the size of the storm.

Reality is the Atlantic is on the back side of a warm trend that dates back to 1995. If you look in the history of Atlantic storms from 1969-1994 it was remarkably quiet. South Florida went almost 30 years without a hurricane between Betsy and Andrew. Even Andrew, which was probably the wind event of the last 50 years, veered south in the last 12 hours and spared Miami at the expense of Homestead.

2010 was an epic year for tropical cyclones in the Atlantic, but no one remembers that because the USA didn't get hit. Look that one up.

Tropical cyclones in the Atlantic are not rare events in general, but having one hit your house in any one year is. The vast majority of people have never experienced being in the right front quad of a land-falling hurricane.

No hurricane has ever hit the US after being as far north and east as Florence was...owning to an exceptional 3 standard deviation ridge over the US east coast and western Atlantic. This is why it moved so slowly when approaching the coast. At least 26 people have died, many of whom drowned, due to ignorance of the real threat Florence presented.

And that's probably the theme to the reply here. You simply don't know what you're talking about on this topic, but we're in a message board, and you want some reads and replys, and you thought you had some authority because you lived in Florida once. News flash: most people who have ever lived in Florida have never experienced the core of a significant hurricane. But, the ones who have will always respect them for what they can do - and plan accordingly. Anyone in Homestead who lost their house, bank, workplace, cars and some friends, all in one night, will tell you the same.

I eagerly await your scientific reply...

It's just wind dude. Like stay indoors and shit lmao

[heydaralon]

You do realize that a lot of these hurricanes are merely tropical storms that simply have high winds right? Its false advertising. When I think of a hurricane I think of something on par with a Roland Emmerich movie or perhaps the film Armageddon. The reality is that most "hurricanes" are just some rain and wind. Sadly, the media likes to get people panicking and buying home depot supplies. It is absurd. Wind and rain have been with us for 100's of years. Maybe thousands. You don't hear Christopher Columbus or Leif Erikson complaining about them, because they weren't a big deal. Wind is nothing to write home about. Unless you live in drought stricken Ethiopia, neither is rain. Lets stop making a big deal about everyday occurences.

STA seems knowledgeable after reading your reply. Hard to figure out where to start...

First, there is no such thing as a tropical storm with higher winds than a tropical storm. A storm with higher winds than a tropical storm, by definition, is called a hurricane.

All of these warm-core systems that emerge from the tropics are called tropical cyclones. The definitions between TS, Cat 1, Cat 2 etc are based on the exponential relationship between winds and damage but has no relationship to the amount of surge produced. It's a misleading wind scale.

For example, by your definition, Sandy was not a big deal in 2012. Yet, Sandy produced the highest surge ever recorded along the eastern seaboard because of the SIZE of the storm, not because of some small radii of maximum winds.

People forget that Katrina was "barely" a major hurricane when it put 30 feet of surge into MS/LA. New Orleans was actually on the weak side of the storm, but got historical surge due to the angle of approach and the until then record size of the cyclone. They say that Camille killed more people in Katrina than Katrina did, because, the people who live through Camille didn't account for the size of the storm.

Reality is the Atlantic is on the back side of a warm trend that dates back to 1995. If you look in the history of Atlantic storms from 1969-1994 it was remarkably quiet. South Florida went almost 30 years without a hurricane between Betsy and Andrew. Even Andrew, which was probably the wind event of the last 50 years, veered south in the last 12 hours and spared Miami at the expense of Homestead.

2010 was an epic year for tropical cyclones in the Atlantic, but no one remembers that because the USA didn't get hit. Look that one up.

Tropical cyclones in the Atlantic are not rare events in general, but having one hit your house in any one year is. The vast majority of people have never experienced being in the right front quad of a land-falling hurricane.

No hurricane has ever hit the US after being as far north and east as Florence was...owning to an exceptional 3 standard deviation ridge over the US east coast and western Atlantic. This is why it moved so slowly when approaching the coast. At least 26 people have died, many of whom drowned, due to ignorance of the real threat Florence presented.

And that's probably the theme to the reply here. You simply don't know what you're talking about on this topic, but we're in a message board, and you want some reads and replys, and you thought you had some authority because you lived in Florida once. News flash: most people who have ever lived in Florida have never experienced the core of a significant hurricane. But, the ones who have will always respect them for what they can do - and plan accordingly. Anyone in Homestead who lost their house, bank, workplace, cars and some friends, all in one night, will tell you the same.

I eagerly await your scientific reply...

Kath I don't want this to be a repeat of the elephant fiasco. Remember when you claimed that elephants were smart (it turns out they weren't) and didn't know the difference between African and Asian elephants? I think you also accidentally ended up supporting elephant abuse, when you said you liked the painting ones. I know that you think you are an expert on hurricanes because you live in Florida, but they are just wind and rain. I mean, what else do you think is even in them? Dark matter? What else besides the wind and the rain? Have you ever experienced either of those things? It was raininng last night when I was on the forum. The other day, it was kind of windy. Now add those together. That is a hurricane, or tropical storm. Not exactly the end of the world. Can't wait for your scientific answer on that Ms. Nye about how Hurricanes aren't wind and rain.

[Kath]

It was raininng last night when I was on the forum.

It's like saying you've been in a major car accident because a kid on a bike once ran into your parked car while you were in the grocery store. Lol.

Never mind. I completely forgot that you aren't a serious person. Carry on.

[heydaralon]

It was raininng last night when I was on the forum.

It's like saying you've been in a major car accident because a kid on a bike once ran into your parked car while you were in the grocery store. Lol.

Never mind. I completely forgot that you aren't a serious person. Carry on.

You took my quote out of context. When you are ready to actually engage with my ideas, let me know.

[TheReal_ND]

A hurricane = wind and water. A hurricane is not the inconvenience. It's the lack of AC and fresh kicks.

[Speaker to Animals]

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[Fife]

Don't get gouged.