Game of Thrones - mostly

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Post by StCapps » Thu May 02, 2019 5:48 pm

Fighting for social justice, that's SJW. SJW as a term used only as pejorative to refer to only the silliest fights the SJW crowd pick with the status quo, is redefining the word.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions, assuming that all SJW's actually have evil intentions and use Social Justice as the rubric to enforce those evil intentions, is a strawman for the most part. They are do gooders who often act in counter-productive ways to their stated goals, especially these days, but that doesn't mean all forms of social justice are counter-productive.

SJW is not an inherently negative term in all circumstances, it's just that most people who call themselves SJWs don't actually help the cause they claim to be fighting for these days and it actually hurts their cause, so it has taken on a negative connotation.
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Post by Smitty-48 » Thu May 02, 2019 5:56 pm

I don't buy that Abraham Lincoln was an SJW.

He was a white supremacist and absolutely of the settler culture vis a vis the Indians.

Moreover, his opposition to slavery was not on humanitarian grounds.

It was on grounds of it threatening the Union.

His position was also not that slaves should be made into Americans, but rather that they should be sent back to Africa.
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Post by StCapps » Thu May 02, 2019 5:59 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 5:56 pm
I don't buy that Abraham Lincoln was an SJW.

He was a white supremacist and absolutely of the settler culture vis a vis the Indians.

Moreover, his opposition to slavery was not on humanitarian grounds.

It was on grounds of it threatening the Union.

His position was also not that slaves should be made into Americans, but rather that they should be sent back to Africa.
He certainly isn't the SJW that many think he is. But freeing the slaves, regardless of his reasons, is a touch of SJW, but I wouldn't call him an SJW in general just because of that. He did the occasional SJW thing, but that doesn't make him a full blown SJW or anything, that's just the SJWs rewriting history to paint him as one of their own.
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Post by Smitty-48 » Thu May 02, 2019 6:02 pm

StCapps wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 5:59 pm
Smitty-48 wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 5:56 pm
I don't buy that Abraham Lincoln was an SJW.

He was a white supremacist and absolutely of the settler culture vis a vis the Indians.

Moreover, his opposition to slavery was not on humanitarian grounds.

It was on grounds of it threatening the Union.

His position was also not that slaves should be made into Americans, but rather that they should be sent back to Africa.
He certainly isn't the SJW that many think he is. But freeing the slaves, regardless of his reasons, is a touch of SJW, but I wouldn't call him an SJW in general just because of that. He did the occasional SJW thing, but that doesn't make him a full blown SJW or anything, that's just the SJWs rewriting history to paint him as one of their own.
Bear in mind that the Abolitionist Movement itself was fundamentally white supremacist.

The point of ending slavery, was to get the blacks out of America, so America would be racially pure.

They also wanted to get rid of Jews and Papists btw.
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Post by StCapps » Thu May 02, 2019 6:06 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 6:02 pm
StCapps wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 5:59 pm
Smitty-48 wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 5:56 pm
I don't buy that Abraham Lincoln was an SJW.

He was a white supremacist and absolutely of the settler culture vis a vis the Indians.

Moreover, his opposition to slavery was not on humanitarian grounds.

It was on grounds of it threatening the Union.

His position was also not that slaves should be made into Americans, but rather that they should be sent back to Africa.
He certainly isn't the SJW that many think he is. But freeing the slaves, regardless of his reasons, is a touch of SJW, but I wouldn't call him an SJW in general just because of that. He did the occasional SJW thing, but that doesn't make him a full blown SJW or anything, that's just the SJWs rewriting history to paint him as one of their own.
Bear in mind that the Abolitionist Movement itself was fundamentally white supremacist.

The point of ending slavery, was to get the blacks out of America, so America would be racially pure.

They also wanted to get rid of Jews and Papists btw.
Dany's reasons for freeing the slaves on the other hand, was full on SJW, her motives weren't the same as the abolitionist movement. Howard Zinn if he was a chick and had dragons basically.
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Post by Smitty-48 » Thu May 02, 2019 6:07 pm

StCapps wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 6:06 pm
Smitty-48 wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 6:02 pm
StCapps wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 5:59 pm
He certainly isn't the SJW that many think he is. But freeing the slaves, regardless of his reasons, is a touch of SJW, but I wouldn't call him an SJW in general just because of that. He did the occasional SJW thing, but that doesn't make him a full blown SJW or anything, that's just the SJWs rewriting history to paint him as one of their own.
Bear in mind that the Abolitionist Movement itself was fundamentally white supremacist.

The point of ending slavery, was to get the blacks out of America, so America would be racially pure.

They also wanted to get rid of Jews and Papists btw.
Dany's reasons for freeing the slaves on the other hand, was full on SJW, her motives weren't the same as the abolitionist movement.
Who is Dany?
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Post by StCapps » Thu May 02, 2019 6:08 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 6:07 pm
StCapps wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 6:06 pm
Smitty-48 wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 6:02 pm


Bear in mind that the Abolitionist Movement itself was fundamentally white supremacist.

The point of ending slavery, was to get the blacks out of America, so America would be racially pure.

They also wanted to get rid of Jews and Papists btw.
Dany's reasons for freeing the slaves on the other hand, was full on SJW, her motives weren't the same as the abolitionist movement.
Who is Dany?
The Dragon Lady from Game of Thrones.
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Post by Smitty-48 » Thu May 02, 2019 6:09 pm

StCapps wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 6:08 pm
Smitty-48 wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 6:07 pm
StCapps wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 6:06 pm
Dany's reasons for freeing the slaves on the other hand, was full on SJW, her motives weren't the same as the abolitionist movement.
Who is Dany?
The Dragon Lady from Game of Thrones.
I only know of one Dragon Lady.

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Post by StCapps » Thu May 02, 2019 6:12 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 6:09 pm
StCapps wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 6:08 pm
Smitty-48 wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 6:07 pm


Who is Dany?
The Dragon Lady from Game of Thrones.
I only know of one Dragon Lady.

She's not as clever as that Dragon Lady, but Dany has a midget hand of the queen who thinks he is. If it were a banter competition, he'd probably beat her, but she is far more diabolical than Tyrion.
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Post by Smitty-48 » Thu May 02, 2019 6:14 pm

Anyways, Abraham Lincoln was no lefty wefty.

They were the Republicans then just as they are now, and as such, they simply could not abide a competing empire on this continent.
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