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[MilSpecs]

If you think all is well in the U.S. for people with old parents who can't take care of themselves, you're delusional.

The destruction of the family is the cause, not money. Poor nations all over the world care for their elders without a single granny warehouse in sight.

Warehousing granny costs more than taking her into your home, so that argument wouldn't work even if money was the factor, which it isn't.

I've seen countless examples of poor people living multiple generations under the same roof. This is just people with more money than values making up excuses for why it should be someone else's problem.

Leaving your grandmother in a room to die might be your idea of elder care, but it's not mine. Poor nations can't do much for their elders. Do you think they're bringing the old people their medications and Ensure? Hooking them up to their respirators and checking their blood sugar?

If you want to cut years off your parents' lives it's your business (and unfortunately theirs) but keep that crap out of my country. Go live like the third world if you want to.

[Speaker to Animals]

What's going down here is that people are deprived of meaning and purpose in their lives, and their bodies, minds, and spirits deteriorate badly.



People need purpose in life. Our degenerate culture places no value on the elderly. The only practical response to this for those of us left who are trying to to fall is to ensure we have purpose all the way to the finish line and just keep going.

[MilSpecs]

What's going down here is that people are deprived of meaning and purpose in their lives, and their bodies, minds, and spirits deteriorate badly.

People need purpose in life. Our degenerate culture places no value on the elderly. The only practical response to this for those of us left who are trying to to fall is to ensure we have purpose all the way to the finish line and just keep going.

They just get old and the body wears out. Of course it helps to have purpose and we don't place enough value on the elderly, but today they're living so long that the body just gives out and we do everything we can to extend their lives without considering their quality of life. This is even assuming that they still have a mind/spirit left, considering the levels of dementia in the elderly. But people can still enjoy their lives and have meaning even as advanced elderly. They can still participate in family and social life, and if we put even a little into helping them, they could often live out most of their elder years with their families.

[Speaker to Animals]

What's going down here is that people are deprived of meaning and purpose in their lives, and their bodies, minds, and spirits deteriorate badly.

People need purpose in life. Our degenerate culture places no value on the elderly. The only practical response to this for those of us left who are trying to to fall is to ensure we have purpose all the way to the finish line and just keep going.

They just get old and the body wears out. Of course it helps to have purpose and we don't place enough value on the elderly, but today they're living so long that the body just gives out and we do everything we can to extend their lives without considering their quality of life. This is even assuming that they still have a mind/spirit left, considering the levels of dementia in the elderly. But people can still enjoy their lives and have meaning even as advanced elderly. They can still participate in family and social life, and if we put even a little into helping them, they could often live out most of their elder years with their families.

That's not really true. What we are seeing in our society is not normal. People historically lived very productive lives most of the way to their deaths.

[heydaralon]

If you want to get the real nursing home experience, drop your elderly parents off at a Port Au Prince Earthquake Disaster Relief Camp.

[MilSpecs]

What's going down here is that people are deprived of meaning and purpose in their lives, and their bodies, minds, and spirits deteriorate badly.

People need purpose in life. Our degenerate culture places no value on the elderly. The only practical response to this for those of us left who are trying to to fall is to ensure we have purpose all the way to the finish line and just keep going.

They just get old and the body wears out. Of course it helps to have purpose and we don't place enough value on the elderly, but today they're living so long that the body just gives out and we do everything we can to extend their lives without considering their quality of life. This is even assuming that they still have a mind/spirit left, considering the levels of dementia in the elderly. But people can still enjoy their lives and have meaning even as advanced elderly. They can still participate in family and social life, and if we put even a little into helping them, they could often live out most of their elder years with their families.

That's not really true. What we are seeing in our society is not normal. People historically lived very productive lives most of the way to their deaths.

That's because they died before they got that old. Mid-90s was quite unusual.

[Speaker to Animals]

They just get old and the body wears out. Of course it helps to have purpose and we don't place enough value on the elderly, but today they're living so long that the body just gives out and we do everything we can to extend their lives without considering their quality of life. This is even assuming that they still have a mind/spirit left, considering the levels of dementia in the elderly. But people can still enjoy their lives and have meaning even as advanced elderly. They can still participate in family and social life, and if we put even a little into helping them, they could often live out most of their elder years with their families.

That's not really true. What we are seeing in our society is not normal. People historically lived very productive lives most of the way to their deaths.

That's because they died before they got that old. Mid-90s was quite unusual.

Incorrect. People actually lived pretty long. You are confusing the infant mortality and the rate at which women died in childbirth with how long people lived. If you made it through your twenties, you were likely to live pretty long time. Averages are not your friend in understanding this.

[MilSpecs]

That's not really true. What we are seeing in our society is not normal. People historically lived very productive lives most of the way to their deaths.

That's because they died before they got that old. Mid-90s was quite unusual.

Incorrect. People actually lived pretty long. You are confusing the infant mortality and the rate at which women died in childbirth with how long people lived. If you made it through your twenties, you were likely to live pretty long time. Averages are not your friend in understanding this.

No, the average lifespan has gone up tremendously, and due to advances in medicine. People have always gotten diseases of age, but now those diseases don't kill them anywhere near as young. There's a ton of data out there to confirm this. You can even look up how long your own ancestors lived (those who didn't die in childbirth or as children) and compare them to your living elderly relatives now. You probably have relatives who are already, on average, much older. This is assuming your current elderly relatives have good health care (we've left that out of this debate entirely).

[Speaker to Animals]

That's because they died before they got that old. Mid-90s was quite unusual.

Incorrect. People actually lived pretty long. You are confusing the infant mortality and the rate at which women died in childbirth with how long people lived. If you made it through your twenties, you were likely to live pretty long time. Averages are not your friend in understanding this.

No, the average lifespan has gone up tremendously, and due to advances in medicine. People have always gotten diseases of age, but now those diseases don't kill them anywhere near as young. There's a ton of data out there to confirm this. You can even look up how long your own ancestors lived (those who didn't die in childbirth or as children) and compare them to your living elderly relatives now. You probably have relatives who are already, on average, much older. This is assuming your current elderly relatives have good health care (we've left that out of this debate entirely).

Again: remove the word average from the equation. The infant mortality rate has fallen. The mortality rate from child birth is now near-zero. Deaths from pandemics have been pretty stable for westerners since 1918. There has not been a major world war since 1945. Averaging all this shit into the human lifespan doesn't help us understand the issue. When you remove those things from the equation, people lived for a very long time. If you made it into your thirties, chances were high you would reach your eighties if not your nineties.

[heydaralon]

I would be very surprised if anyone from the past was still alive in the present, unless it was the recent past (within 100 years). We need to take that into account when we discuss life expectancy as well, because the present is a long time from that time.