I am very confused about the state of genital mutilation in the West

[Speaker to Animals]

While both can be characterized as mutilation, i.e the deliberate amputation of healthy tissue, the difference between male and female genital circumcision is the sexual control element with FGM. The idea (among most of those cultures that practise it), is that it is a great way of controlling the "wild" female libido from committing acts of adultery. Simply put: Woman who feels less horny is a woman less likely to cheat on her husband.

Anglo-North American culture treats male circumcision the same way women and men in cultures accept FGM as ethically valid and neccesary. I guarentee you that they will present "logical" arguments for why women ought to be clitorectimized. Maybe one of them will go the StA route and incredously scoff at the notion of un-FGM'ed women, arguing that "logically" they must be women who run around sex-crazed and comitting acts of infidelity at every second of the day. Their (witch) doctors will probably agree with them, too. It's like that 80's movie about a cola bottle getting worshipped by an African tribe or something ("The gods are/must be crazy"?)

In this context, StA is the pious follower of everything the witch doctors say, last seen trying to catch a cheetah because the witch doctor told him he must teabag it blindfolded a hundred and sixty times, while singing "Hakuna Matata" in a posh British accent.

Is there a rational reason a non-Jew, non-Muslim young male should be circumcised? Sure, if the household severely lacks access to clean water and soap and cannot afford antibiotics if their kid were to get a UTI. In a certain, specific context, male circumcision makes sense. That certain, specfic context just doesn't apply to modern, Western societies with abundant clean water supplies and access to advanced health care - advanced compared to the time of the ancient egyptians and hebrews who came up with it (I believe ancient egyptians did FGM, too, btw.) Your medical industry profits from selling male circumcision to easily scared parents.

The sensible thing to do at this point is look up rates of STD's of US and Canada (I think Canada has the same extent of circumcised males?) and compare those numbers to all the other countries in the world that don't practise male circumcision (which is practically any culture and country that isn't Jewish, Muslim or East African/Egyptian). So, for example...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... eague.html

/sigh

I am not really committed either way. Attacking a stupid ass proposition (i.e. male circumcision is the moral equivalent of female genital mutilation) does not mean I am not open to arguments to end male circumcision on actually rational grounds.

The fact that you people throw tantrums when I ex0lain the issue is not quite so simple as you attempt to present it shows you don't really possess a good argument to end the practice. All you have is OMFG it's like female genital mutilation, and if you don't nod your head in intellectually-vacant compliance, then you believe the witch doctors!

Nigga please.

[Montegriffo]

So you have decided that I am pro abortion have you? That is another decision I would rather make for myself instead of having someone else do it for me.

Now I know you are full of shit. You give the lamest pro abortion arguments on this board. Give the baby a choice? How is that done?

What? I've never given any kind of pro abortion argument. Please find where I have argued in favour of abortion.

[heydaralon]

Israel has a right to exist Capps. You hate Jews, and your circumcision comments prove it to the board. Words cannot express how disgusted I am with the ignorance and blind hate of your post.

[heydaralon]

The advent of smegma is what's known as "five o'Cock shadow." Even the most thorough cleaning of dick cheese will not stop it from spreading aggressively in the folds of one's foreskin and causing indescribable stench and humiliation. I should know. I was uncircumsized until last year. Its not something that I am proud of, but I made an oath. I keep my promises, and my penis has been shorn. Since then, I have been able to enjoy life without my foreskin getting in the way. I also shave my perinium and ensure that it only has the cleanest, purest odors. Using a special adhesive tape, I remove unsightly hair around the edge of my anus as well. The dingle berries are another matter entirely, and must be removed with a special pet shampoo and body wash. Excessive hair leads to problems. Like Esau, who gave up his birthright for a bowl of soup. Esau was circumsized of course, but that's not enough. His hair allowed Jacob to trick their blind father. I will not fall victim to such trickery, and openly encourage my friends to carress my smooth pubic and anal region, to show them that simple ruses will not work for me.

[BjornP]

While both can be characterized as mutilation, i.e the deliberate amputation of healthy tissue, the difference between male and female genital circumcision is the sexual control element with FGM. The idea (among most of those cultures that practise it), is that it is a great way of controlling the "wild" female libido from committing acts of adultery. Simply put: Woman who feels less horny is a woman less likely to cheat on her husband.

Anglo-North American culture treats male circumcision the same way women and men in cultures accept FGM as ethically valid and neccesary. I guarentee you that they will present "logical" arguments for why women ought to be clitorectimized. Maybe one of them will go the StA route and incredously scoff at the notion of un-FGM'ed women, arguing that "logically" they must be women who run around sex-crazed and comitting acts of infidelity at every second of the day. Their (witch) doctors will probably agree with them, too. It's like that 80's movie about a cola bottle getting worshipped by an African tribe or something ("The gods are/must be crazy"?)

In this context, StA is the pious follower of everything the witch doctors say, last seen trying to catch a cheetah because the witch doctor told him he must teabag it blindfolded a hundred and sixty times, while singing "Hakuna Matata" in a posh British accent.

Is there a rational reason a non-Jew, non-Muslim young male should be circumcised? Sure, if the household severely lacks access to clean water and soap and cannot afford antibiotics if their kid were to get a UTI. In a certain, specific context, male circumcision makes sense. That certain, specfic context just doesn't apply to modern, Western societies with abundant clean water supplies and access to advanced health care - advanced compared to the time of the ancient egyptians and hebrews who came up with it (I believe ancient egyptians did FGM, too, btw.) Your medical industry profits from selling male circumcision to easily scared parents.

The sensible thing to do at this point is look up rates of STD's of US and Canada (I think Canada has the same extent of circumcised males?) and compare those numbers to all the other countries in the world that don't practise male circumcision (which is practically any culture and country that isn't Jewish, Muslim or East African/Egyptian). So, for example...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... eague.html

/sigh

I am not really committed either way. Attacking a stupid ass proposition (i.e. male circumcision is the moral equivalent of female genital mutilation) does not mean I am not open to arguments to end male circumcision on actually rational grounds.

The fact that you people throw tantrums when I ex0lain the issue is not quite so simple as you attempt to present it shows you don't really possess a good argument to end the practice. All you have is OMFG it's like female genital mutilation, and if you don't nod your head in intellectually-vacant compliance, then you believe the witch doctors!

Nigga please.

I am not throwing any tantrums and you aren't explaining anything. You are uneducated and talk like a primitive who is completely, and ridiculously clueless about having a non-circumcized dick. That's what the comparison to witch doctors and primitive tribes is about. Your ridiculously ignorant cluelessness about the world around you.

Which you are completely entitled to, of course.

The Chinese eat tiger dicks for strengths, so I don't see why you can't believe that all non-American, non-Muslim and non-Jewish men of the world run around with copious amounts of dick cheese all the time. You know why so many Middle Easterners commit rape when they arrive in Europe? Because of what they've heard about European women: They think wearing "little" (relative to their culture) clothes is an open sexual invitation. That and women in their own countries who wear what Western women wear, are usually prostitutes, so there's that, too. What I'm saying with that is this: You, StA, have the same irrational notions about what it's like to have an uncircumcised dick as some isolated stone age tribe that's seen an iPad for the first time, and wonder how many animals you had to sacrifice to get a board to talk to you.

And unlike you, I feel no need to throw any fits about things I don't agree with or declare that the end of civilization is upon us. Because I don't feel any need to outlaw something, even something I consider an unneccesary case of mutilation. On a scale of harm, most cases of male circumcision proceed without complication. People have a right to be wrong, stupid, manipulated and manipulative. Jews and Muslims, if they stick to having a professional circumcisor-dude do the procedure, can keep doing their thing.

[StCapps]

Israel has a right to exist Capps. You hate Jews, and your circumcision comments prove it to the board. Words cannot express how disgusted I am with the ignorance and blind hate of your post.

Hey if Jews want to enjoy sex less, that's on them.

Notice how StA still refuses to argue against any argument other than "Male circumcision is the same as FGM!", he keeps pretending that the only counter-argument that has been presented, because he can't beat any other argument with his spiel. He can only pretend he won by arguing against an idiotic strawman of other people's opinions, and this is far from the only topic he pulls this shit in. He literally ignores every good counter argument presented, and pretends those countering his argument only made the idiotic argument.

Every time he's in a losing argument, he pulls this shit, it's his go to flailing maneuver.

[clubgop]

Israel has a right to exist Capps. You hate Jews, and your circumcision comments prove it to the board. Words cannot express how disgusted I am with the ignorance and blind hate of your post.

Hey if Jews want to enjoy sex less, that's on them.

Notice how StA still refuses to argue against any argument other than "Male circumcision is the same as FGM!", he keeps pretending that the only counter-argument that has been presented, because he can't beat any other argument with his spiel. He can only pretend he won by arguing against an idiotic strawman of other people's opinions, and this is far from the only topic he pulls this shit in. He literally ignores every good counter argument presented, and pretends those countering his argument only made the idiotic argument.

Enjoy sex less? No wonder you guys say about women what you all say. Can't satisfy them with their premature asses so they have to rely on flowery words.

[StCapps]

Enjoy sex less? No wonder you guys say about women what you all say. Can't satisfy them with their premature asses so they have to rely on flowery words.

Better than having ED because you can't feel anything down there, y'all circumcised folks are the one's who can't satisfy women, and are projecting on others. Women are more sensitive than uncircumcised men too and you don't see them going off prematurely more than uncircumcised men either, so throw your stupid theory out the window on the circumsized men all go off prematurely because they are more sensitive theory, that's not how it works. Just because sex feels better doesn't mean we all go off prematurely, you just wish that was the case, because it would help you sleep better at night, knowing that your foreskin is gone forever. Wishful thinking on your part clubby, you're just jealous and don't want to admit it, so you lash out.

Enjoy your shitty sex clubby, it will never be as good as it could have been. But hey you shave like a second off of cleaning your dick in the shower, hope it's worth it.

[clubgop]

So you have decided that I am pro abortion have you? That is another decision I would rather make for myself instead of having someone else do it for me.

Now I know you are full of shit. You give the lamest pro abortion arguments on this board. Give the baby a choice? How is that done?

What? I've never given any kind of pro abortion argument. Please find where I have argued in favour of abortion.

viewtopic.php?f=63&t=1255&p=31276&hilit=abortion#p31276

You support infanticide for God sakes.

[clubgop]

Enjoy sex less? No wonder you guys say about women what you all say. Can't satisfy them with their premature asses so they have to rely on flowery words.

Better than having ED because you can't feel anything down there, y'all circumcised folks are the one's who can't satisfy women, and are projecting on others. Women are more sensitive than uncircumcised men too and you don't see them going off prematurely more than uncircumcised men either, so throw your stupid theory out the window on the circumsized men all go off prematurely because they are more sensitive theory, that's not how it works. Just because sex feels better doesn't mean we all go off prematurely, you just wish that was the case, because it would help you sleep better at night, knowing that your foreskin is gone forever. Wishful thinking on your part clubby, you're just jealous and don't want to admit it, so you lash out.

Enjoy your shitty sex clubby, it will never be as good as it could have been. But hey you shave like a second off of cleaning your dick in the shower, hope it's worth it.

Feel nothing? Who is telling you this stuff? The circumcised dudes you blow?