Carl Jung, Joseph Campbell, JRR TOLKIEN, Myths and Stories

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Post by GloryofGreece » Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:56 pm

Marie Louise von Franz - Civilizations need a Living Myth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... hvTkGOAg3Q
Remembering Jung series talk with Marie-Louise von Franz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6GU1OV_OeE
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Post by heydaralon » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:06 pm

GloryofGreece wrote:Marie Louise von Franz - Civilizations need a Living Myth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... hvTkGOAg3Q
Remembering Jung series talk with Marie-Louise von Franz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6GU1OV_OeE
Are you a Jung guy? Personally, I think the teacher had better ideas than the pupil. Freud definitely believed in some weird shit. I've never put much stock in his Oedipus complex or sexual phases, but his ideas about the self-divided nature that comes with being human is more close to the truth than the Jungian collective unconscious. I'm not an expert on either of them though.
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Re: Carl Jung, Joseph Campbell, JRR TOLKIEN, Myths and Stories

Post by GloryofGreece » Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:11 am

heydaralon wrote:
GloryofGreece wrote:Marie Louise von Franz - Civilizations need a Living Myth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... hvTkGOAg3Q
Remembering Jung series talk with Marie-Louise von Franz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6GU1OV_OeE
Are you a Jung guy? Personally, I think the teacher had better ideas than the pupil. Freud definitely believed in some weird shit. I've never put much stock in his Oedipus complex or sexual phases, but his ideas about the self-divided nature that comes with being human is more close to the truth than the Jungian collective unconscious. I'm not an expert on either of them though.
I'm reading his memoir and listening to some lectures by his pupils and other analyst, but I'm too new to it to really be a Jung guy. I might be, i don't know yet. I was really reintroduced to him by Jordan Peterson and his Personality lecture series and Maps of Meaning courses. Anyway, what does "self divided" nature mean? I think Freud spoke to a lot of truth but he over emphasized sex and repression in my opinion.
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Post by GloryofGreece » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:18 pm

The sheer amount of Tolkien literature out there it's staggering. According to the
an interview I read his origninal Lord of the rings manuscript was 7,000+ pages.

A book called the " unfinished tales " is interesting and we'll writen. I want to read the Symillarion which like some other works were finished by his son. Tolkiens inner circle and background are quite interesting and yes more so than his book per say. I hope his son felt fulfilled editing and publishing his father's later stories.


Tolkiens Catholicism is interesting and it's role in his career and life work.
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Post by TheReal_ND » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:28 pm

Silmarillion. It's really good but it probably damaged me for life. I probably shouldn't have read it as a preteen at least.

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Post by GloryofGreece » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:34 pm

TheReal_ND wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:28 pm
Silmarillion. It's really good but it probably damaged me for life. I probably shouldn't have read it as a preteen at least.
In what ways did it do that?
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Post by TheReal_ND » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:39 pm

GloryofGreece wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:34 pm
TheReal_ND wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:28 pm
Silmarillion. It's really good but it probably damaged me for life. I probably shouldn't have read it as a preteen at least.
In what ways did it do that?
It's not healthy to wish so ardently for an alternate reality to be true. Not as an impressionable boy at least. Its the kind of thing that leads to escapism. It's hard to explain but it seems to have left a great sadness with me whenever I think about it.

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Post by Montegriffo » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:53 pm

TheReal_ND wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:39 pm
GloryofGreece wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:34 pm
TheReal_ND wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:28 pm
Silmarillion. It's really good but it probably damaged me for life. I probably shouldn't have read it as a preteen at least.
In what ways did it do that?
It's not healthy to wish so ardently for an alternate reality to be true. Not as an impressionable boy at least. Its the kind of thing that leads to escapism. It's hard to explain but it seems to have left a great sadness with me whenever I think about it.
Didn't have that effect on me. It did make me interested in learning about the dark ages though. Even read the translations of Beowulf.
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Post by TheReal_ND » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:58 pm

You are probably a pyschopath. Pyechopaths typically lack the ability to feel empathy or remorse.