Poll: Who Supports the Idea of a White Ethno State?

[Speaker to Animals]

The Alt-Right has it all wrong, they rail against multiculturalism, but multiculturalism is what they want, it's the only way for them to have their ethno state, it's the melting pot which is preventing it, the melting pot is the polar opposite of multiculturalism, multiculturalism doesn't just allow for an ethno state, it guarantees it, right in the constitution, a Zion of your very own, wherever you can build it, and Crown will defend it, to the hilt, HM will put the troops in to defend it if she has to.

I have listened to some of their podcasts a few times. A lot of them are suggesting exactly that. If all you know about the Alt-Right is what you read or hear about in the media, then you probably don't know what's what with those guys.

You just railed against the "Multi-Cult" a couple pages ago, so clearly you are conflicted somehow, the Multi-Cult is the path to your Zion, the Melting Pot is the thing standing in your way.

I have been advocating for exactly what you just said for quite some time now. I think we need to divide the country up, let blacks have their homeland, whites have a few homelands, and then have the cities be the melting pot places the left wants. The only addendum to that is that I think we need to stop all immigration and let this nightmare settle down over the next thirty years or so.

The Multi-Cult is just genocide. It's not Canada.

[Speaker to Animals]

By my reading, there is nothing in US Federalism to abridge regional control of laws, as long as those laws don't, themselves, abridge constitutionally guaranteed rights.

I am actually gonna go ahead and side with my fellow citizen, Speaker, here, and say we can work at fixing the problems of federal overreach here at home.

I don't think we need to go through the rigmarole of drawing up special confederate boundaries and adding an extra, expensive, bureaucratic layer of government to achieve that though.

That is silly big government technocracy, and I am a proud Yankee, small gub'ment, Federalist.

Fuck no to federalism. Abolish that beast and replace it with a thin confederation that just deals with foreign relations, trade within our borders, and defense/intelligence. Divide the rest of CONUS up into regions. Make some of them ethnic areas, like a black homeland those people arguably deserve (and most blacks want I might add). Break the cities off into self-governing city-states that can't fuck with the surrounding territory like they do now in places like Illinois and Washington. If the Left Coast / Cascadia folks want a strict gun-controlled region with forced homosexual participation, then let them have that. That's their business. If the Deep South wants Jesusland, then they can have that too.

The federal government is the cause of the culture war. It's the One Ring and we must toss that total piece of shit to the bottom of Mount Doom.

[Smitty-48]

By my reading, there is nothing in US Federalism to abridge regional control of laws, as long as those laws don't, themselves, abridge constitutionally guaranteed rights.

I am actually gonna go ahead and side with my fellow citizen, Speaker, here, and say we can work at fixing the problems of federal overreach here at home.

I don't think we need to go through the rigmarole of drawing up special confederate boundaries and adding an extra, expensive, bureaucratic layer of government to achieve that though.

That is silly big government technocracy, and I am a proud Yankee, small gub'ment, Federalist.

If there was any real hope of constraining federal overreach in the USA, I doubt Americans would be in the state they are in, fighting tooth and nail for control of the federal government in order to determine who will overreach on who, I mean, good luck with that, but I don't think you have a snowball's chance in hell.

Would prolly be the same here, if not for the French standing in the path of it, threatening to bring the whole house down should any try to cross the ethno state line, vive le Quebec, vive le Quebec libre, our salvation against federal overreach, since 1759.

[Smitty-48]

I have been advocating for exactly what you just said for quite some time now. I think we need to divide the country up, let blacks have their homeland, whites have a few homelands, and then have the cities be the melting pot places the left wants. The only addendum to that is that I think we need to stop all immigration and let this nightmare settle down over the next thirty years or so.

The Multi-Cult is just genocide. It's not Canada.

What you need, is called the Notwithstanding Clause, where the sub-national jurisdiction can opt out of a constitutional ruling, on a case by case basis, and take that decision to the people, majority rules.

That's how it is here, if you're ethno state is threatened by federal overreach, you pull the emergency release valve, and decline to uphold that decision as necessary, with the backing of the electorate, democracy has the final say, even over the Supreme Court in the end.

Quebec is poised to do it again right now, Bill 62, a Burka Ban basically, if the Supreme Court overthrows it; Notwithstanding Clause; fuck off, Anglos, fuck off, Mooslambs, ethno state uber alles, if you don't like it, GTFO.

Now, personally, I wouldn't give the Ontario government that kind of power over what I can wear or not, that's way too Nanny Police State for my tastes, but Quebec is Quebec, and thanks to the Notwithstanding Clause, they don't have to live by the same rules we prefer here in Upper Canada, and vive les Deux Solitudes I say, more power to them, democracy in action, Dieu sauve la Reine.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

By my reading, there is nothing in US Federalism to abridge regional control of laws, as long as those laws don't, themselves, abridge constitutionally guaranteed rights.

I am actually gonna go ahead and side with my fellow citizen, Speaker, here, and say we can work at fixing the problems of federal overreach here at home.

I don't think we need to go through the rigmarole of drawing up special confederate boundaries and adding an extra, expensive, bureaucratic layer of government to achieve that though.

That is silly big government technocracy, and I am a proud Yankee, small gub'ment, Federalist.

Fuck no to federalism. Abolish that beast and replace it with a thin confederation that just deals with foreign relations, trade within our borders, and defense/intelligence. Divide the rest of CONUS up into regions. Make some of them ethnic areas, like a black homeland those people arguably deserve (and most blacks want I might add). Break the cities off into self-governing city-states that can't fuck with the surrounding territory like they do now in places like Illinois and Washington. If the Left Coast / Cascadia folks want a strict gun-controlled region with forced homosexual participation, then let them have that. That's their business. If the Deep South wants Jesusland, then they can have that too.

The federal government is the cause of the culture war. It's the One Ring and we must toss that total piece of shit to the bottom of Mount Doom.

I can certainly imagine a counterfactual history where this is what happened, and it basically works, but it isn't really pragmatic or realistic now.

And besides, it brings its own slew of problems that need to be fixed. For instance, once you've drawn up the confederate borders, what prevents an infinite regress of splitting off little chunks of land all the way down to city states? What authority is there to keep these from constant internecine conflict?

This is not a strong system, and is precisely the problem that a fairly robust Federal system was designed to solve.

Balkanization rarely lends itself to stable, wealth generating, conflict free cooperation. This would be especially true if these balkanized areas were ethno-states, I would imagine. Without sufficient movement between them, which would be difficult if every time I tried to cross into my neighbors ethno-state I found myself a second class citizen, they would grow further and further apart, and more hostile towards each others interests.

If my rights aren't abridged, and I don't become a second class citizen from ethno-state to ethno-state, in what sense are they even ethno-states anymore?

[StCapps]

If my rights aren't abridged, and I don't become a second class citizen from ethno-state to ethno-state, in what sense are they even ethno-states anymore?

SIFCLF Alert.
Always assuming the worst about ethno states as if that's the only kind of ethno state that can exist.

[Smitty-48]

Balkanization rarely lends itself to stable, wealth generating, conflict free cooperation.

Canada is much more stable, comparably wealth generating, and far more conflict free, because we allow for ethno states within confederation, so in the North American paradigm, you appear to be wrong headed in your thinking, the lack of decentralized authority in America, is the source of all your conflict, instability, and economic troubles, if you Yankees would just ease up on the stick, and stop trying to force everybody to live in Yankeeland, the Red States would calm right down, that would be the end of the Culture War, and then we'd see who had the better economic model, my bet would be on the Red States for that tbh.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

If there was any real hope of constraining federal overreach in the USA, I doubt Americans would be in the state they are in, fighting tooth and nail for control of the federal government in order to determine who will overreach on who, I mean, good luck with that, but I don't think you have a snowball's chance in hell.

Well, as much as I enjoy wearing my fake constitutional scholar cap, I don't actually have the solutions all neatly drawn up for consideration.

You just think it is hopeless because you lack American gumption. We don't see problems, we see opportunities to improve, and we have the most ideas, thanks to the strength of our diversity.

[Speaker to Animals]

I have been advocating for exactly what you just said for quite some time now. I think we need to divide the country up, let blacks have their homeland, whites have a few homelands, and then have the cities be the melting pot places the left wants. The only addendum to that is that I think we need to stop all immigration and let this nightmare settle down over the next thirty years or so.

The Multi-Cult is just genocide. It's not Canada.

What you need, is called the Notwithstanding Clause, where the sub-national jurisdiction can opt out of a constitutional ruling, on a case by case basis, and take that decision to the people, majority rules.

That's how it is here, if you're ethno state is threatened by federal overreach, you pull the emergency release valve, and decline to uphold that decision as necessary, with the backing of the electorate, democracy has the final say, even over the Supreme Court in the end.

Quebec is poised to do it again right now, Bill 62, a Burka Ban basically, if the Supreme Court overthrows it; Notwithstanding Clause; fuck off, Anglos, fuck off, Mooslambs, ethno state uber alles, if you don't like it, GTFO.

Now, personally, I wouldn't give the Ontario government that kind of power over what I can wear or not, that's way too Nanny Police State for my tastes, but Quebec is Quebec, and thanks to the Notwithstanding Clause, they don't have to live by the same rules we prefer here in Upper Canada, and vive les Deux Solitudes I say, more power to them, democracy in action, Dieu sauve la Reine.

Interesting. Need to think about how that would work..

[Speaker to Animals]

Balkanization rarely lends itself to stable, wealth generating, conflict free cooperation.

Canada is much more stable, comparably wealth generating, and far more conflict free, because we allow for ethno states within confederation, so in the North American paradigm, you appear to be wrong headed in your thinking, the lack of decentralized authority in America, is the source of all your conflict, instability, and economic troubles, if you Yankees would just ease up on the stick, and stop trying to force everybody to live in Yankeeland, the Red States would calm right down, that would be the end of the Culture War, and then we'd see who had the better economic model, my bet would be on the Red States for that tbh.

Yankee culture is the most innovative and industrious there is. They are slowly losing it because of their immigration policy, but they are still powerhouses by international standards. High education levels too.