Poll: Who Supports the Idea of a White Ethno State?

[Speaker to Animals]

In the United States, we quickly began to conceive of a "white" identity that is pan-European. We could bring individuals from the various European nationalities into America and after a few generations, they would become Americanized.

The melting pot myth, I'm well aware. Pan-Euro Ethno State will not fly in America, the demographic clock can't be turned back to 1965, even if you changed the laws back.

So like I said you are better off moving to an Ethno State that won't take decades to establish.

It's not the melting pot myth. It's just the historical trend. The melting pot myth is what led to the Multi-Cult. It's nonsensical.

[StCapps]

It's not the melting pot myth. It's just the historical trend. The melting pot myth is what led to the Multi-Cult. It's nonsensical.

It takes a hell of a long time for that historical trend to work itself out, a few generations at least. Why not move to already established White Ethno State instead of hoping America can become a Pan-Euro Ethno State in several decades if everyone followed your advised immigration policy for the duration?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Simple question: do you support an immigration policy that will maintain whites as the dominant demographic of the United States?

It is a simple question, but that doesn't mean there is a simple answer.

An immigration policy that maintained dominant white demographics does not necessarily secure the interests of 'whites' as an ethnic group, no matter how that is broadly defined. This should be obvious, since states with relatively homogeneous racial demographics still fracture along class, cultural, or religious lines, and put those populations interests out of alignment. An immigration policy that secured the interests of the most citizens would work in the interest of non-whites as well, meaning it isn't a de facto ethno-state policy at all, even if it happened to maintain a white majority. An immigration law designed to exclusively benefit the most whites at the expense of other citizens doesn't necessarily secure a white majority, and would be complex, almost certainly unconstitutional, and likely unrealistic and impractical.

This is one of the reasons basing laws on race or ethnicity is not a useful or wise practice, and our framers were wise to avoid it.

You can't just imagine a contour free immigration policy as a pure abstraction, claim that it would be good for whites, and then claim to have made an ethno-state.

For the sake of argument, let's just take what you imagine to be the ethno-state policies of pre 65 America, and assume they were actually better for American citizens. Even if they were designed with the express purpose of maximizing benefits to whites, in 65, those benefits would have been shared by non-white citizens. To whatever degree they benefited non-white citizens less, they probably did so on the basis of, either, unconstitutional regional policies, or unwritten, and thus, extra-legal regional policies. Pre 65 America, no matter how much it may have preferred whites, was still not an ethno-state.

And Capps, no body has seriously mentioned Nazis for many, many pages of discussion, except StA, and only to accuse me of assuming he was supporting a Nazi position when I don't. Don't just drag a straw man of your own invention in here to giver yourself an easy target so you can feel good about your edgy hot take on ethno states in some quixotic attempt to prove you aren't a liberal to StA.

[StCapps]

And Capps, no body has seriously mentioned Nazis for many, many pages of discussion, except StA, and only to accuse me of assuming he was supporting a Nazi position when I don't. Don't just drag a straw man of your own invention in here to giver yourself an easy target so you can feel good about your edgy hot take on ethno states in some quixotic attempt to prove you aren't a liberal to StA.

GrumpyCatFace just brought up Nazi Germany like two pages ago, and you are assuming the worst about what a White Ethno State might constitute, instead of looking to best example in North America and assuming it might be something like that.

Do you support the existence of Quebec? Do you really think it's so awful to live there?
Knock off the shark jumping, Reachy McGee. Get a better imagination, one that isn't so siffcliffy when it comes to White Ethno States.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

And Capps, no body has seriously mentioned Nazis for many, many pages of discussion, except StA, and only to accuse me of assuming he was supporting a Nazi position when I don't. Don't just drag a straw man of your own invention in here to giver yourself an easy target so you can feel good about your edgy hot take on ethno states in some quixotic attempt to prove you aren't a liberal to StA.

GrumpyCatFace just brought up Nazi Germany, and you are assuming the worst about what a White Ethno State might constitute, instead of looking to best example in North America and assuming it might be something like that.

Do you support the existence of Quebec? Do you really think it's THAT terrible to live there?
Knock off the shark jumping, Reachy McGee. Get a better imagination, one that isn't so Siffcliffy.

I said seriously.

What reason do I have for assuming the best, when its supporters work very hard to avoid having to describe the actual legal framework and policy of the state they should like to create.

That isn't 'sky is falling,' that is 'don't show me a picture of a new benz and then sell me a fuckin' lemon.' I just want to get under the hood of this sum'bitch before I sign up.

Shit, I could probably be convinced to just give ourselves back to the commonwealth and become The United States of New South Quebec. I like Canader, and have some Anglophile tendencies. God save the queen, right fellas?

But I doubt that would wind up looking anything like what the ethno-staters would want.

[StCapps]

But I doubt that would wind up looking anything like what the ethno-staters would want.

Why do you care what StA and Nukedog want? Better yet, why do you let their opinion affect your opinion of what a White Ethno State would look like in practice? Why do you assume that most people who would want to live in a White Ethno State would think like they do? You really think most Quebecers think like nuke and StA?

Use your head man, stop being so reactionary to fringe extremist reactionaries, that just leads a vicious cycle of increasing partisanship, that ain't healthy.
God Save The Queen indeed, Vive Le Quebec Libre.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

But I doubt that would wind up looking anything like what the ethno-staters would want.

Why do you care what StA and Nukedog want? Better yet, why do you let their opinion affect your opinion of what a White Ethno State would look like in practice? Why do you assume that most people who would want to live in a White Ethno State would think like they do? You really think most Quebecers think like nuke and StA?

Use your head man, stop being so reactionary to fringe extremists.

Why even have a forum where we have debates about things we think are interesting to discuss at all man?

I like arguing with Nuke and StA because they are intelligent, well informed, and defend very unpopular positions. There are precious few places where that can really happen.

Diversity is our strength bro... diversity.is.our.strenght.

[Smitty-48]

Shit, I could probably be convinced to just give ourselves back to the commonwealth and become The United States of New South Quebec. I like Canader, and have some Anglophile tendencies. God save the queen, right fellas?

You don't have to have Anglophile tendencies to want to save the Queen of Canada, the majority of Quebecers do not have Anglophile tendencies. Contrary to popular myth, many actually do, but the majority doesn't, on the other hand, the majority of Quebecers recognize that the Monarchy is the best way to preserve their ethno state, because Confederation allows them a direct relationship with the Sovereign, which bypasses the Government of Canada in Ottawa, and this gives them an out, anytime the majority attempts to overthrow the imperatives of their ethno state, thus, the Queen allows them to have their cake and eat it too, Confederation with all the benefits therein, while retaining their "distinct society", which is the preferred euphemism for their ethno state.

[TheReal_ND]

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COMMIE CAT FACE BTFO

what are we arguing?

[StCapps]

But I doubt that would wind up looking anything like what the ethno-staters would want.

Why do you care what StA and Nukedog want? Better yet, why do you let their opinion affect your opinion of what a White Ethno State would look like in practice? Why do you assume that most people who would want to live in a White Ethno State would think like they do? You really think most Quebecers think like nuke and StA?

Use your head man, stop being so reactionary to fringe extremists.

Why even have a forum where we have debates about things we think are interesting to discuss at all man?

I like arguing with Nuke and StA because they are intelligent, well informed, and defend very unpopular positions. There are precious few places where that can really happen.

Diversity is our strength bro... diversity.is.our.strenght.

When did I say don't argue with them? I said don't become a reactionary just because they defend unpopular positions. Two different things.