Grammarly.

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Re: Grammarly.

Post by Hastur » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:50 pm

Are we allowed to end a sentence with a preposition?
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Re: Grammarly.

Post by DBTrek » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:53 pm

You are . . . because you're European so no one expects you to know all the rules of English.
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Re: Grammarly.

Post by Fife » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:54 pm

Hastur wrote:I like to promote the the Oxford comma. I makes life better.
https://www.grammarly.com/blog/what-is- ... -about-it/
Failure to use the Oxford comma is the height of gauche.

http://mentalfloss.com/article/33637/be ... comma-wars

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Re: Grammarly.

Post by Fife » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:54 pm

Hastur wrote:Are we allowed to end a sentence with a preposition?
What for?

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Re: Grammarly.

Post by Hastur » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:56 pm

DBTrek wrote:You are . . . because you're European so no one expects you to know all the rules of English.
Thanks. It was something about which I was uncertain.
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Re: Grammarly.

Post by de officiis » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:59 pm

The Conservative wrote:
de officiis wrote:Other rules regarding omissions:

Never use an ellipsis to begin a quotation, or when individual words are merely altered.

When using quoted language as a phrase or clause, rather than as a full sentence, do not indicate omission of matter before or after a quotation.

Where language beginning the original sentence has been deleted, capitalize the first letter and place it in brackets if it is not already capitalized. If the sentence begins the quotation, do not otherwise indicate any omission.

Do not indicate the deletion of matter after the period or other final punctuation that concludes a final quoted sentence. If language after the end of a quoted sentence is deleted and the sentence is followed by further quotation, however, retain the punctuation at the end of the sentence and insert an ellipsis before the remainder of the quotation.

If language both at the end and after the end of a quoted sentence is deleted and followed by further quotation, use only one ellipsis to indicate both of the omissions.

There are additional rules regarding the use of ellipses and the omission of material from paragraphs, but I will charge a fee to share those.

You realize I enjoy writing, please don't make my brain hurt with rules that I have no intention of either following or bend to such a degree that I don't care either way :P
They really are not that difficult to understand if you keep in mind the overarching idea of giving clear notice about what is being taken out to your reading audience.
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Re: Grammarly.

Post by DBTrek » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:59 pm

Hastur wrote:
DBTrek wrote:You are . . . because you're European so no one expects you to know all the rules of English.
Thanks. It was something about which I was uncertain.
If you want the boring answer:
At one time, schoolchildren were taught that a sentence should never end with a preposition. However, this is a philosophy actually associated with Latin grammar. While many aspects of Latin have made their way into the English language, this particular grammar rule is not suited for modern English usage.

There are times when trying to avoid ending a sentence with a preposition creates unnecessary and awkward phrasing. For example, Winston Churchill once reportedly exclaimed, "That is the sort of thing up with which I will not put!" to mock someone who criticized him for ending a sentence with a preposition. Since the purpose of writing is to clearly communicate your thoughts and ideas, it’s perfectly acceptable to end a sentence with a preposition if the alternative would create confusion.


Read more at http://grammar.yourdictionary.com/parts ... fouMk7q.99
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Re: Grammarly.

Post by MilSpecs » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:02 pm

de officiis wrote:When indicating an omission at the end of a sentence, four are used.
It is necessary to use one space between each ellipsis subsequent to the first in the series. Thus spake Kate Turabian.
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Re: Grammarly.

Post by Hastur » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:07 pm

DBTrek wrote:
Hastur wrote:
DBTrek wrote:You are . . . because you're European so no one expects you to know all the rules of English.
Thanks. It was something about which I was uncertain.
If you want the boring answer:
At one time, schoolchildren were taught that a sentence should never end with a preposition. However, this is a philosophy actually associated with Latin grammar. While many aspects of Latin have made their way into the English language, this particular grammar rule is not suited for modern English usage.

There are times when trying to avoid ending a sentence with a preposition creates unnecessary and awkward phrasing. For example, Winston Churchill once reportedly exclaimed, "That is the sort of thing up with which I will not put!" to mock someone who criticized him for ending a sentence with a preposition. Since the purpose of writing is to clearly communicate your thoughts and ideas, it’s perfectly acceptable to end a sentence with a preposition if the alternative would create confusion.


Read more at http://grammar.yourdictionary.com/parts ... fouMk7q.99
Not boring at all. Not with a literature Nobel Prize winner chiming in. Love Churchill's quips.

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Re: Grammarly.

Post by Ex-California » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:35 pm

Freshman year of high school we had a old mean black lady as our English teacher. She was the size of a linebacker and had a buzz haircut. Her methods were rooted in drilling and a more classical way of teaching "grammar," which she pronounced with the correct "ahr" sound in the second syllable as opposed to the more commonly used "er." She was also an authoritarian and second in command to the school dean for discipline.

I like to think she helped me out greatly in my growth as a writer with my command of grammar; she gave me the basics that later forms of writing education honed. This is how I could write History and Political Science papers and tests in College half-drunk and still get A's.

However, even if you don't have an education rooted in older, authoritarian techniques, I believe that simply reading more books as opposed to internet postings will improve your grammar greatly.
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