Poll: Who Supports the Idea of a White Ethno State?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

If all you really seem to be interested in is immigration reform, why go to the trouble of trying to define that as an ethno-state

If all you cared about was the people that comprised a nation prosper, why would you go all the way to signal for white genocide and guilt susceptible people into accepting porous borders?

Because I don't think that 'white genocide' is a realistic concern. I do think that this whole ethno-state fantasy is completely reactionary, and based in morally confused first principles and pure (sometimes justifiable) resentment of the way progressives describe sensible conservative positions, and the way the government has managed to created a worst of all worlds immigration policy.
As such, I think it is valuable to argue against the ethno-state position since it scuttles effective discussion of borders, misdiagnoses the problems we face, and abandons the best principles of the culture it claims to defend.

[Hwen Hoshino]

Americna culture is beatiful, it would be better for everyone if Japan would be like America. You are sick if you fell in love with that culture instead of just the art or distant history.

This is the core of the problem and a major difference between us. American culture that you love is what little remains of the white majority culture that once existed here and built this nation, which was founded on European customs, values, and ideas. Having nonwestern people flood into it will destroy the culture you love so much no differently than nonwhites flooding into near suburbs of most major cities in the 1970s created white flight and destroyed the communities that those minorities so much wanted to join.

You cannot become what you are not. I cannot become Japanese and Japanese cannot become me.

Nor do I think Japan would be better if it became like me. Japan is a beautiful place populated by beautiful people with a great culture and history. I don't want anybody to fuck with that. I love Japan just the way it is. Small numbers of Anglos are free to go there, work, and live. You just can't migrate there en masse with the intention to colonize it, even if you ostensibly try to rationalize it as "loving Japanese culture".

If you really love something, you wouldn't try to drown it out and smother it to death.

Little? You make it sound like its 100 people or something.Graet palce, some exceptional people, scary culture and intriguing history. Thye have a little untouchable caste system. It needs to be fucked with. You just love human suffering, kissing old fart as and child abuse...

Evolution is not death.

That culture needs to be reshaped to be more humane. What happens depends on the circumstances of the flood.

A Japanese person can become an American easily. Why could he not?

[Speaker to Animals]

Americna culture is beatiful, it would be better for everyone if Japan would be like America. You are sick if you fell in love with that culture instead of just the art or distant history.

This is the core of the problem and a major difference between us. American culture that you love is what little remains of the white majority culture that once existed here and built this nation, which was founded on European customs, values, and ideas. Having nonwestern people flood into it will destroy the culture you love so much no differently than nonwhites flooding into near suburbs of most major cities in the 1970s created white flight and destroyed the communities that those minorities so much wanted to join.

You cannot become what you are not. I cannot become Japanese and Japanese cannot become me.

Nor do I think Japan would be better if it became like me. Japan is a beautiful place populated by beautiful people with a great culture and history. I don't want anybody to fuck with that. I love Japan just the way it is. Small numbers of Anglos are free to go there, work, and live. You just can't migrate there en masse with the intention to colonize it, even if you ostensibly try to rationalize it as "loving Japanese culture".

If you really love something, you wouldn't try to drown it out and smother it to death.

Little? You make it sound like its 100 people or something.Graet palce, some exceptional people, scary culture and intriguing history. Thye have a little untouchable caste system. It needs to be fucked with. You just love human suffering, kissing old fart as and child abuse...

Evolution is not death.

That culture needs to be reshaped to be more humane. What happens depends on the circumstances of the flood.

A Japanese person can become an American easily. Why could he not?

Do you think nothing ever evolved in America before the mass migrations began? Get out of here with that.

As far as a Japanese person becoming an American easily.. he can easily become an American citizen, but he's not going to become the culture that made America what it is anymore than I can move to Japan and truly become Japanese. Furthermore, if large numbers of people like him come here, they will destroy the culture that made the America they want to join. Some things you have to love from a distance.

That middle statement about "reshaping" Japanese culture is also genocidal. It's really strange to me how the people defending the Multi-Cult constantly accuse critics of being racists who hate others and hate diversity when it is actually the Multi-Cult that wants to destroy diversity everywhere and has no trouble wiping out entire cultures and races. Orwellian, even.

[Speaker to Animals]

Because what we had before literally was an ethno-state. If you oppose foreign peoples colonizing our nation, then you support an ethno-state. If you support an immigration policy designed to maintain a white majority, then you support an ethno-state. Supporting an ethno-state does not mean you are a Nazi, or you hate anybody, or that you don't want to have any nonwhites in your community. It means that you recognize what you love most about your society and culture arises from your people.

All the things you said you love about America will be strangled out of existence when whites are no longer a majority in this country. Mexicans don't want an America that represents the things you love. Arabs and Pakistanis definitely don't want any of that. Recognizing this doesn't mean you hate them. It just means you want to keep things relatively stable. Let in enough nonwhites to achieve some level of diversity that profits us but does not destroy us.

But most importantly, just not using euphemisms and having this drag out fight with people over it is the only way to de-program a lot of them from the conditioning. Still, a lot of you don't realize how powerful that fucking television is or how effective Hollywood is at conditioning you. I guarantee when you read some of the things I posted, your mind played out some programmed scene from a television show or a film where a character made this virtuous stand against "hate" in a way that frames simply wanting to keep a white majority is somehow evil. That's conditioning. It's brainwashing. There is nothing wrong with wanting to maintain a majority white American population.

Your definition of ethno-state seems to be so damn broad that you consider 'state' to be a euphemism for 'ethno-state.' Even without quibbling over definitions, and accepting such a broad one, The United States are not, have not been, and almost by definition can not be an ethno-state.

I don't think supporting an ethno-sate makes someone hateful or a Nazi, I think it makes them confused about the benefits of rule of law and enlightenment nation states.

Now, I am confident that the things I love about America can weather just about any storm because I think I love the things that are superior in America, and the European enlightenment in general. The things that are so superior that they can survive and thrive open conflict, and will only evolve and improve. But then, I am an actual patriot who appreciates the enlightenment, not a Papist that wants to see America broken apart and destroyed.

I get that you think I am woefully indoctrinated by MSNBC and sitcom reruns, but I am surprised that you would think, from reading my posts, that I view myself as a hero in some sort of morality play. I don't think keeping a white majority is evil, I think it is, basically, neutral, but am suspicious of the restrictive or autocratic policies that would be required to maintain it, and question the wisdom of basing laws on slippery ideas like ethnicity, race, or culture.

It would be especially absurd for me to view myself as heroic in this debate, since I have been defending the much easier position that already enjoys majority support.

edit: embarrassing spelling error.

The United States was an ethno-state. You just don't want to dispense with your sophomoric attempt at straw man fallacies by imposing on the other side some procrustean definition that allows you to pretend like there exists some contradiction in their argument when the whole time it's just you hacking away at the straw man.

It's as simple as this: do you support immigration policy that would maintain whites as a majority of the American population? If yes, then you support ethno-states. If no, then you do not. You cannot in one post tell me that you don't support this genocidal immigration policy pursued by democrats and half the GOP to replace white people in America and then claim you oppose the idea that immigration should maintain a white majority. That actually truly is a contradiction and it's not some straw man. Unless I am mistaken, you actually posted that. I am not sure if you consciously process what you advocate here. It really is a genocide.

[SuburbanFarmer]

The most idiotic part of this argument is that most of what SIFCLF-to-A thinks he's defending as "white culture" would never have existed without our uniquely mixed-ethnic environment. America is a petri-dish for the world's cultures, and that's exactly why we've invented so many amazing things.

Ex:
Pizza - Italian New Yorkers, bastardized german sausages, cheap tomato sauce
Blues/Funk/Rock n' Roll - African drum circles, slave hymns, blues
Blue Jeans - Italian denim, swiss functionality
Corn/squash - native crops, introduced to starving, dumbass settlers
Tex-Mex - mexican immigrants

[Speaker to Animals]

Note once again it is those who lack an education who consistently show up to interesting discussions and try to derail them with nonsense. It's not random. They seek intelligence out and try to destroy it with their weaponized lunacy.

There is nothing about maintaining a white majority that precludes "diversity". Don't be ridiculous.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Note once again it is those who lack an education who consistently show up to interesting discussions and try to derail them with nonsense. It's not random. They seek intelligence out and try to destroy it with their weaponized lunacy.

I'm not against there existing a white ethno-state. Have at it. But you're implying that it should be created here, in America. And this is the worst place on the planet to even attempt such a thing. You'd have much better luck in Anywhere In Europe than trying to 'white-wash' America.

SIDE NOTE: Where in hell did you get the idea that I'm uneducated? Or is that just something you slap on anyone that disagrees with your syphilitic blather?

[Speaker to Animals]

Note once again it is those who lack an education who consistently show up to interesting discussions and try to derail them with nonsense. It's not random. They seek intelligence out and try to destroy it with their weaponized lunacy.

I'm not against there existing a white ethno-state. Have at it. But you're implying that it should be created here, in America. And this is the worst place on the planet to even attempt such a thing. You'd have much better luck in Anywhere In Europe than trying to 'white-wash' America.

No, you just injected fallacious nonsense into the discussion. It's just stupid.

There is nothing about maintaining a white majority in America that precludes having *some* Mexicans. Maintaining a white majority doesn't mean we shut down your favorite burrito joint. That's what you think rises to the level of intelligent discourse? Really?

Take that "argument" to it's logical conclusion.: I like burritos a lot. Mexicans have contributed some great things to American culture. Therefore, let's replace the white demographic with a majority Mexican population.

It obviously does not follow from the proposition that some ethnic minority brought cultural enrichment that we should make them the demographic majority, and opposing that means you hate them and want to eliminate whatever culture they contributed. Do you not understand this?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

The United States was an ethno-state. You just don't want to dispense with your sophomoric attempt at straw man fallacies by imposing on the other side some procrustean definition that allows you to pretend like there exists some contradiction in their argument when the whole time it's just you hacking away at the straw man.

It's as simple as this: do you support immigration policy that would maintain whites as a majority of the American population? If yes, then you support ethno-states. If no, then you do not. You cannot in one post tell me that you don't support this genocidal immigration policy pursued by democrats and half the GOP to replace white people in America and then claim you oppose the idea that immigration should maintain a white majority. That actually truly is a contradiction and it's not some straw man. Unless I am mistaken, you actually posted that. I am not sure if you consciously process what you advocate here. It really is a genocide.

Find me one official legal document of our founding that enshrines ethnicity as a legal principle. I am not straw manning you, you are straw manning yourself.

If you have trouble processing how one could support restricted immigration without reference to race, that is your comprehension problem, not a problem with my reasoning.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Note once again it is those who lack an education who consistently show up to interesting discussions and try to derail them with nonsense. It's not random. They seek intelligence out and try to destroy it with their weaponized lunacy.

I'm not against there existing a white ethno-state. Have at it. But you're implying that it should be created here, in America. And this is the worst place on the planet to even attempt such a thing. You'd have much better luck in Anywhere In Europe than trying to 'white-wash' America.

No, you just injected fallacious nonsense into the discussion. It's just stupid.

There is nothing about maintaining a white majority in America that precludes having *some* Mexicans. Maintaining a white majority doesn't mean we shut down your favorite burrito joint. That's what you think rises to the level of intelligent discourse? Really?

Take that "argument" to it's logical conclusion.: I like burritos a lot. Mexicans have contributed some great things to American culture. Therefore, let's replace the white demographic with a majority Mexican population.

It obviously does not follow from the proposition that some ethnic minority brought cultural enrichment that we should make them the demographic majority, and opposing that means you hate them and want to eliminate whatever culture they contributed. Do you not understand this?

Look at the title of the thread, idiot. Are you walking all the way back from “ethno-state”, to ‘there should be more white people’?