Nukedog wrote:Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:Nukedog wrote:
Can you give me an example of this? What a wild argument. You seem to have implied that we gain more freedom under a regime of diversity when I could quite literally plot the increase of diversity and loss of liberty on a a graph and watch the two rise in tandem.
That gets the argument backwards. You don't 'gain freedom under a regime of diversity.' Instead, diversity is the inevitable result of a regime of freedom.
Bahahaha. No offense. Your post was intelligent and I like you but that argument is retarded and you know it. Diversity was a product of cheap labor rent seeking and it has been for nearly two centuries in this nation. Fucking weird how you socialists suddenly start aligning with your "capitalist overlords," on this issue.
We agree that there is a conflict between the needs of laborers and unrestricted movement across borders/prioritizing market freedom. But the argument isn't retarded, it is true, and you don't like the consequences. Sometimes two valid goals, like maximum liberty and protecting workers, are in conflict.
We can have a discussion about how to maximize individual liberty
and prioritize the needs of workers, but if you want to argue that an ethno-state is the path to that end, you are going to have to get very specific about the contours of said state. And, if it truly does maximize individual liberty in a meaningful way, it probably won't look much like anything I would describe as an ethno-state.
The problem here is that nobody seems to really want to have a conversation about ethno-states, because they are not a very good idea. They want to have a conversation about restricting immigration, which can be a good idea, or a neutral idea, or, in some cases, a bad idea. Why you are tying the reasonable discussion about immigration policy and what (if any) role economic protectionism for American workers should play in that policy to the absurd fantasy of an ethnic utopia is beyond me.