Guess the MegaTons of This Nuke

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Re: Guess the MegaTons of This Nuke

Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:56 am

GloryofGreece wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:
GloryofGreece wrote:Thats not what i asked. I'm talking turning half of Korea into a parking lot to save whatever is leftover of the southern portion? Who knows what will be habitable after that fallout.
I don't care about the southern portion either. I care about the United States.
How about Pakistan and Iran's nukes?

We have countervalue deterrence with them.

North Korea has zero deterrence. We could kill off most their population and do that junta a favor.
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Re: Guess the MegaTons of This Nuke

Post by GloryofGreece » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:57 am

DBTrek wrote:
GloryofGreece wrote:Thats not what i asked. I'm talking turning half of Korea into a parking lot to save whatever is leftover of the southern portion? Who knows what will be habitable after that fallout.
:lol:

Did I ask what you asked? No. Because no one cares what you asked. You’re some clown wringing their hands over a Stalinist prison colony of unimaginable suffering being “turned into a parking lot” before they can annihilate your country. You clearly have no perspective on the subject, so what you ask is irrelevant.
I was asking StA a question, not you. Also, damn someone is a little emotional, no? You don't know what my "perspective" is you insufferable cunt. Hows the world look on that high horse? Your assuming a lot about what N. Korea will do and won't do. Based on what exactly? But that's your personality...assume shit. Dumb fuck.
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Post by heydaralon » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:58 am

Smitty-48 wrote:I put no faith in rational arbitrage, as it pertains to war, if rational arbitrage was really a factor, there wouldn't be any wars at all.

The Americans are calling the North Koreans a paper tiger, the North Koreans are calling the Americans a paper tiger, both sides are assuming that the other is going to back down, and that is the very thing, which nuclear wars will be made of.
Big deal. I have a two weeks supply of canned goods, broths and cranberries, with some pumpkin pie filling stuff like that. I don't know about the rest of you losers, but I'm gonna be eating like a king with the mushroom clouds come to town.
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Post by DBTrek » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:59 am

A better question might be what about Iran after they watch us take North Korea out for developing nukes.

I bet they consider our words more carefully.
Added benefit.
Not only secure the world from nuclear NK, but demonstrate to rogue and terrorist supporting nations that their regime really will be toppled if they pursue nuclear weapons.
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Post by DBTrek » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:02 am

GloryofGreece wrote:Also, damn someone is a little emotional ...you insufferable cunt. Hows the world look on that high horse... Dumb fuck.
Indeed, someone *is* very emotional. The same snowflake who thinks the thread is here to address “what they asked”. Stings, don’t it? Being reminded that other people aren’t here to serve as human Google for idiots.

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Post by heydaralon » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:30 am

DBTrek wrote:
GloryofGreece wrote:Also, damn someone is a little emotional ...you insufferable cunt. Hows the world look on that high horse... Dumb fuck.
Indeed, someone *is* very emotional. The same snowflake who thinks the thread is here to address “what they asked”. Stings, don’t it? Being reminded that other people aren’t here to serve as human Google for idiots.

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Post by DBTrek » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:41 am

Yep.
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Post by heydaralon » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:44 am

DBTrek wrote:Yep.
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Post by DBTrek » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:55 am

heydaralon wrote:
DBTrek wrote:Yep.
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Didn't you do IT? How did you get into hair care products?
It’s called a side hustle.
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Re: Guess the MegaTons of This Nuke

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:09 am

GloryofGreece wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:I put no faith in rational arbitrage, as it pertains to war, if rational arbitrage was really a factor, there wouldn't be any wars at all.

The Americans are calling the North Koreans a paper tiger, the North Koreans are calling the Americans a paper tiger, both sides are assuming that the other is going to back down, and that is the very thing, which nuclear wars will be made of.
So what happens in your opinion, your guess of say the next five years?
Nothing has happened and it seems like we have been either talking about N. Korea, threatening them, them threatening us, talking shit etc. for DECADES.
I don't make timelines as to when something is going to collapse, but the situation is not static and stable as you are asserting, and I personally do not believe that the North Korean's are talking shit, I think they're serious, if they weren't serious, they wouldn't take things as far as they have, the amount of effort and risk that they are undertaking, indicates that they are in fact very serious, and backing up their talk with the actual capabilities to follow through on their threats.

People present me with rational arbitrage as to why "it couldn't happen", and I simply test that against my analysis and find it to be wanting. Could happen, increasing chance of it happening all the time, exactly when it is going to happen, don't know exactly.

I also take the long view, in that, once the North Koreans reach a certain threshold, which they are progressing towards rapidly right now and in fact accelerating, then you're into an indefinite standoff which is volatile and unstable, wherein the slightest confrontation escalates immediately to the brink of nuclear war, and the more times you go to that well, the more you are courting your luck running out.

And it has taken decades to get to this point, but that's because the North Koreans didn't have the resources of a superpower, so it has taken them longer, none the less, they have now reached the culmination of a forty year plan, in impressive fashion, as I said, they are backing their talk up, with action, and they've done exactly what they've threatened to do, down to a tee, so why wouldn't you take them at their word then?

The Americans are the ones who seem to be talking shit, the North Koreans are the ones who are doing everything they've said they were going to do, in an orderly and systematic march to the threshold of being able to challenge the United States in an asymmetrical nuclear confrontation.

The United States is vastly underestimating its opponent and vastly overestimating its own capabilities to destroy them at a whim, with hydrogen bombs in the mix, which, if that's not bad ju-ju, I don't know what is.

I also factor in how the United States has reacted in the past, when the underestimated opponent has come at them out of the blue, catching America asleep at the switch, and that's bad ju-ju too, because the United States, as a collective, does not react to those sorts of things, in a calm and rational manner.

It's not just the North Koreans you have to look at, in terms of doing reckless things in a confrontation, the United States is just as, if not more prone to that, than they are. They can back the United States up against a wall, and they openly state that they intend to, and the United States is laughing it off now, but when the North Koreans make their move, I don't think the Americans are going to be laughing.

The rational arbitrage which is being presented to me, is all based on the Cold War and associated meeting engagement of the Cuban Missile Crisis, with the assertion that in such a binary, the result is always going to be "zero", I'm simply saying two things, one; is that the American perception of those events is largely based on mythology rather than reality, and two; as a result, the binary does not have to come up "zero" every time, and since you've only had one throw of the dice, probability on the aggregate would put the chances of "one" coming up the second time, at 50%.
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