Poll: Who Supports the Idea of a White Ethno State?

[StCapps]

Mostly I just eye-roll. He doesn't bother me anymore. His level of crazy is quite entertaining.

Now we've even got a catchy brand name for the type of crazy he exemplifies, SIFCLF, sums up most of his posts in a nutshell really.

[Speaker to Animals]

Please. You can't deny the fact that the importation of more nonwhites and nonwesterners has made our nation less-safe, less trusting, and less happy overall. Nobody is happier for it. The people we bring in are constantly bitching. I can't even turn on the television or read the news online anymore without some story about how terrible it is to be a minority in America. Everybody is telling me I have to "check my privilege". Then I look at the fact that violent crime is soaring, we have sharia law zones already emerging in parts of Michigan like they have in Europe, and terrorism is a monthly fucking occurrence.

Give it a rest already. The political position you defend here has resulted in human misery and dysfunction for the most part. It didn't work out well.

If you don't believe that, then imagine taking a random sampling of American voters from 1965 to 2017. Give them a whole year to take it all in, experience the race riots, the terror attacks, the shitting on American fallen soldiers at football games, the BLM marches, etc. Then ask them if they support the 1965 immigration act that made it all possible.. You know what would happen. Don't lie.

This is fucking ridiculous that you would continue to defend this at this point.

Human misery and dysfunction don't seem restricted to any particular time, place, or policy.

Violent crime has been dropping to its pre-1960, post 1900 levels for 3 decades. Three decades of neo-liberal globalism, I might add.

Explain to me how this gets better with even more "diversity" when the more nonwesterns and nonwhites we bring in, the more dysfunction we get.

Maybe you haven't noticed, but these people are not happy either. They don't ever miss a chance to tell us how horrible we are.

Where is the light at the end of this tunnel?

[Speaker to Animals]

Mostly I just eye-roll. He doesn't bother me anymore. His level of crazy is quite entertaining.

Now we've even got a catchy brand name for the type of crazy he exemplifies, SIFCLF, sums up most of his posts in a nutshell really.

It's just a pathetic way to escape the fact that you constantly lose arguments, really. Whenever you lose, you just call somebody a name. It's basically the equivalent of shouting racist when you lose.

It's actually a sign of weakness. Otherwise you'd have an argument to come back with. But you don't, you probably can't, and so you play silly games of calling people names.

Call me a name while you make an argument. That works better. I like to call you all sorts of names but I still back it up with argument.

Oh, and fucking hell, if you need Kath to support you support you of all people -- lying fucking Kath -- then you really are a sad specimen, aren't you. It makes sense, though. When Kath loses, she calls people RACIST!!!. Peas of a pod..

[StCapps]

I call you a SIFCLF while rebutting your idiotic arguments, it's not an either or thing, you might stop reading the second you spot the acronym but you're just mad I've got a clever catch phrase that sums up well over half of your posts.
/shrugs

[Speaker to Animals]

Here's the problem the Multicultists don't seem to understand.

They are constantly signaling totally contradictory things. (1) They signal that we somehow "need" more diversity, and by diversity, they just mean anybody but white people, because that's the only way to make things more tolerable and harmonious. (2) They signal how horrible it is for all their little nonwhite pets in America, protest against fallen soldiers at football games, they foment race riots in our cities, fly Mexican flags at conservative rallies and talk about a "Reconquista" of the Southwest, and constantly tell us that things are getting ever worse.

If this country is so awful for nonwhites, then why even bring them here in the first place?

Given that all we have seen with more nonwhite immigration is dysfunction and loss of social cohesion, how does increasing "diversity" help one bit?


We obviously don't really need more people in this country as it is. We struggle with meaningful employment for all. Welfare and disability enrollments are through the roof. Right here and now, we need LESS people not more, and probably step one is sending all the visa holders back home. That's just step one. But the Multicultists say we need more. Why more? It doesn't make any damned sense.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Explain to me how this gets better with even more "diversity" when the more nonwesterns and nonwhites we bring in, the more dysfunction we get.

Maybe you haven't noticed, but these people are not happy either. They don't ever miss a chance to tell us how horrible we are.

Where is the light at the end of this tunnel?

It probably doesn't get better or worse either way, since I am arguing that diversity and unhappiness aren't as strongly correlated as you think they are.

People complain, all the time. Sometimes they complain about actual problems, sometimes they complain about imagined problems. I certainly don't think ethno-states are solutions to the actual problems.

Personally, I think hoping for a light at the end of the tunnel is nothing but Utopian fantasy. There is no perfect end-state, but anyone who complains too much about modern day America is suspected of lacking perspective on how good they have it by me. Black, white, brown, immigrant, natural-born citizen, rich or relatively poor alike.

[Speaker to Animals]

I call you a SIFCLF while rebutting your idiotic arguments, it's not an either or thing, you might stop reading the second you spot the acronym but you're just mad I've got a clever catch phrase that sums up well over half of your posts.
/shrugs

Nah, it's just a pathetic attempt by a guy with a high school education to weasel out of an argument. It's easy when you just dismiss somebody with some label and call them names. Then all your similarly low-brow buddies pat each other on the back for a job well done. But it's not well done. The forum is basically divided into college-educated people making arguments and dipshits calling others names to escape argument.

I don't have a problem with you calling me names. I just think the attempt to get out of an argument reflects poorly on the forum and generally wastes the intelligent people's time.

Make a list of people who think this is an effective argument (calling somebody a name and walking away) and put a check mark by the person with a college education. Yeah.. no checks. See the problem here?

What if every time you tried to make an argument, I just said, "He's just college-deficient, no need to respond to his argument"?

[Speaker to Animals]

Explain to me how this gets better with even more "diversity" when the more nonwesterns and nonwhites we bring in, the more dysfunction we get.

Maybe you haven't noticed, but these people are not happy either. They don't ever miss a chance to tell us how horrible we are.

Where is the light at the end of this tunnel?

It probably doesn't get better or worse either way, since I am arguing that diversity and unhappiness aren't as strongly correlated as you think they are.

People complain, all the time. Sometimes they complain about actual problems, sometimes they complain about imagined problems. I certainly don't think ethno-states are solutions to the actual problems.

Personally, I think hoping for a light at the end of the tunnel is nothing but Utopian fantasy. There is no perfect end-state, but anyone who complains too much about modern day America is suspected of lacking perspective on how good they have it by me. Black, white, brown, immigrant, natural-born citizen, rich or relatively poor alike.

Well, fact is, it's already been shown that "diversity" and unhappiness are directly related, as Putnam's research has shown. The idea that "diversity is a strength" is pure Orwellian nonsense. Strength is unity, not diversity.

As for looking for a light at the end of the tunnel being a utopian fantasy.. I am not asking for a utopia. I am asking for why we need to make our situation even worse. We had a decent society before 1965. We had problems, but nothing like this. Nothing we couldn't and weren't dealing with on our own. Even then.. what problems we had all stemmed from the diversity we were already saddled with by slavers before the Civil War. In no universe was it ever a good thing to have two races here like we did, and yet you think we need to just keep multiplying that endlessly. To what end? How does any of that make our situation better?

[Speaker to Animals]

Somebody somewhere asked how we could turn this around and make it a predominantly white nation again.. That's not really a difficult thing to accomplish really:

(1) Send all visa holders home.
(2) Round up and deport all illegal immigrants and imprison anybody who knowingly hires them for employment.
(3) Build a wall on our southern border to keep them out (while planning for a northern wall when Canada finally rolls over and becomes a third world nation).
(4) Halt all immigration aside from exceptional cases (i.e. great scientists, etc).
(5) End welfare, especially for single mothers. No more food cards. No more rent subsidies. No more nothing. If you can work, then get a job. If you still can't feed your children, then we can feed them directly at school, but you still have to work (no money goes into nonwhite and single mother's hands just for reproducing).
(6) Eliminate all tax disincentives for having children, and increase incentives to have more children. The more you earn, the more incentive you get (that part is important).
(7) Eliminate all incentives to destroy families. No more child support. No more alimony. No more nothing. If you want a divorce, fine. Kids are split between parents 50/50 and you are on your own from then on out.


\That's a simple 7 step plan that would put the brakes on this trend right away.

You have incentives for having children when you can afford them, but not when you cannot afford them. You have ZERO incentive to destroy your family. Hell, maybe even add back laws against infidelity. Cheat on your spouse and do some jailtime, because that's a truly reprehensible crime against families and society in general.

It's all about incentives. Right now, our government creates incentives for nonwhites to breed endlessly while even modestly successful white families are punished and face terrible disincentives to have children. It's just wrong. It's morally wrong and it's functionally wrong if your purpose is a successful society.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Explain to me how this gets better with even more "diversity" when the more nonwesterns and nonwhites we bring in, the more dysfunction we get.

Maybe you haven't noticed, but these people are not happy either. They don't ever miss a chance to tell us how horrible we are.

Where is the light at the end of this tunnel?

It probably doesn't get better or worse either way, since I am arguing that diversity and unhappiness aren't as strongly correlated as you think they are.

People complain, all the time. Sometimes they complain about actual problems, sometimes they complain about imagined problems. I certainly don't think ethno-states are solutions to the actual problems.

Personally, I think hoping for a light at the end of the tunnel is nothing but Utopian fantasy. There is no perfect end-state, but anyone who complains too much about modern day America is suspected of lacking perspective on how good they have it by me. Black, white, brown, immigrant, natural-born citizen, rich or relatively poor alike.

Well, fact is, it's already been shown that "diversity" and unhappiness are directly related, as Putnam's research has shown. The idea that "diversity is a strength" is pure Orwellian nonsense. Strength is unity, not diversity.

As for looking for a light at the end of the tunnel being a utopian fantasy.. I am not asking for a utopia. I am asking for why we need to make our situation even worse. We had a decent society before 1965. We had problems, but nothing like this. Nothing we couldn't and weren't dealing with on our own. Even then.. what problems we had all stemmed from the diversity we were already saddled with by slavers before the Civil War. In no universe was it ever a good thing to have two races here like we did, and yet you think we need to just keep multiplying that endlessly. To what end? How does any of that make our situation better?

I am familiar with Putnam's claims. That is the thing about social science: people tend to support the findings that confirm their assumptions. To my knowledge, his research hasn't been very strongly collaborated. Again, there are loads of culprits for eroding trust and increasing dissatisfaction.

Having said that, I completely agree that treating 'diversity' as some sort balm that solves problems is a fantasy. As much of a fantasy as believing it is the source of all our woes.

Blaming 'diversity' for the problems associated with slavery is fucking loony bruh.