Meme Thread for Memes and other assorted Lulz

[Speaker to Animals]

It was an absolute command economy, dude. They didn't even have money.

[Penner]

It was a paid, big ass state sponsored work. The Pharaohs had to ship those stones from the quarries (where workers had to cut a piece of stone out and then load it onto a ship, etc....), then have paid workers (probably with the help of animals) carry that stone from the landing site to the building site. Then you had to have a guy overseeing the workers, and the workers actually placing the slabs of stone in place. Not to mentioned the thousands of stone carvers, painters, etc.... to make everything look nice. And also the priest to make sure that all spells were in place. Also, let's forget the scribes as well. And I am leaving out anyone who would guard the whole thing from thieves and also the many man hours that were put in to make all of the stuff that would place inside the tomb, feeding everyone, etc.... IT all came from government coffers

[Penner]

Were they compensated for the work?

Sounds like a job.

Did the state provide the job?

Sounds like a jobs program.

If they weren't compensated, then they were slaves, and Penner's meme was accurate.

I think all of that holds even if they had bicameral minds.

Those terms don't make sense in this context. They were provided for, nourished, healed when needed, and if they pleased the Pharoah, he might reward them with the right to use more of the Pharoah's property. But everything belonged to the Pharoah, and even the Pharoah answered to the gods.

It was a beehive.

That is a bit of a stretch. That isn't arguing that it wasn't a job because there wasn't a market, that is arguing that it wasn't a job because they weren't really 'human.'

I imagine there is still a lot of light between bicameralism (assuming it is true) and an insect like hive mind.

Last I check, humans really don't operate in a "hive mind" kind of way- at least not in a natural way. Instead it is believe that we would do things out of the benefit of their group/social circle and building something like pyramids were to complex to say that it wasn't do without some kind of market.

[Speaker to Animals]

It was a paid, big ass state sponsored work. The Pharaohs had to ship those stones from the quarries, then have paid workers (probably with the help of animals) carry that stone from the landing site to the building site. Then you had to have a guy overseeing the workers, and the workers actually placing the slabs of stone in place. Not to mentioned the thousands of stone carvers, painters, etc.... to make everything look nice. And also the priest to make sure that all spells were in place. Also, let's forget the scribes as well. And I am leaving out anyone who would guard the whole thing from thieves and also the many man hours that were put in to make all of the stuff that would place inside the tomb, feeding everyone, etc.... IT all came from government coffers

There was no money to pay the workers.

They put all the treasure inside a giant fucking pyramid one could see from miles away. Thieves weren't a big problem until later.

[Okeefenokee]

You said that the laborers not owning the fruits of their labor was the important distinction. Apparently there is a different distinction you find more relevant.

Most profitable food chain or best god-king tomb the world has ever seen... makes little difference to the person humping stones or running the fryer I should think. Not bad work exactly, either one, but you don't get the fruits either way.

Read better next time you try to come into a thread half cocked with no idea what is being discussed.

A bullshit meme about slaves building the pyramids was being addressed. Penner called it a government jobs program. Typical know-nothing leftist horseshit was called out, with the addendum that a jobs program in ancient Egypt would never exist, as ancient Egyptians didn't have a market economy, and as such, had no need for any jobs programs.

You entered the discussion and tried to hoist that flaming petard, only to be engulfed with it yourself.

The end result was you stupidly trying to argue that modern economic considerations were also present five thousand fucking years ago, which clearly, they were not.

Typical leftist retardation on display for everyone to see.

I read it pretty good.

Still, sounds like a jobs program. It isn't my fault you seem to have a hard time understanding the logic of your own positions.

What the fuck good does a job do to an economy that places no importance what so fucking ever on jobs?

The idea of an economy in an of itself was foreign to them. The very idea of an economy implies a recognition of the value of transactions between individuals for individual gain. They did not have that.

The absolute lack of ability of people in this age to understand that people of past ages did not see the world how they see it is astounding.

For fuck's sake, people used to go the theater to watch humans kill each other for entertainment. Can you for one second absorb that and entertain the notion that you can't possibly presume to claim they were the same as us?

Human beings would go to the city center and cheer at the spectacle of fellow humans being murdered in front of them, and yet you can't grasp the notion that those same people, who are as alien as aliens, didn't hold your views on jobs.

I don't fucking understand it. There isn't a chance in hell that you would join in on the cultural norms of people from five thousand years ago, yet you think those people held the same beliefs on economics that you hold today.

There's no other way to describe it other than abject lunacy.

[Speaker to Animals]

I don't know what to make of the theory overall, but I think it's generally in the right direction (though crude).

Personally, I think a lot of people still hear voices but don't admit to it. I think many artists are like this. Some authors admit to hearing voices.

I also believe few of us are truly conscious people and, of those, it's only for short moments throughout the day. Most of us operate exactly like those bicameral Egyptians until temptation or novelty causes our consciousness to awaken.

Phillip K. Dick was greatly influenced by this book. It was partly the basis of Do Androids Dream Electric Sheep. The novel does not describe androids sympathetically. He later said that he began to see a lot of people, especially those in power, operate almost robotically, without consciousness. He was freaked out by the "Androids" among us.

Egypt in thos3 days was really nothing like our existence. Those might have been aliens from another planet compared to us. You'd have to go to Sumeria to find people somewhat more like us.

[Okeefenokee]

I don't know what to make of the theory overall, but I think it's generally in the right direction (though crude).

Personally, I think a lot of people still hear voices but don't admit to it. I think many artists are like this. Some authors admit to hearing voices.

I also believe few of us are truly conscious people and, of those, it's only for short moments throughout the day. Most of us operate exactly like those bicameral Egyptians until temptation or novelty causes our consciousness to awaken.

Phillip K. Dick was greatly influenced by this book. It was partly the basis of Do Androids Dream Electric Sheep. The novel does not describe androids sympathetically. He later said that he began to see a lot of people, especially those in power, operate almost robotically, without consciousness. He was freaked out by the "Androids" among us.

Egypt in thos3 days was really nothing like our existence. Those might have been aliens from another planet compared to us. You'd have to go to Sumeria to find people somewhat more like us.

Give us your best shot at reconciling Sumerian views on child sacrifice with Christian views on the matter.

These comparisons are absolute horse shit. Ideological debates in the region of gilgamesh are fought between Christians and Muslims because the ideology of gilgamesh was fucking bankrupt. There's no substantial pro gilgamesh party in play.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Read better next time you try to come into a thread half cocked with no idea what is being discussed.

A bullshit meme about slaves building the pyramids was being addressed. Penner called it a government jobs program. Typical know-nothing leftist horseshit was called out, with the addendum that a jobs program in ancient Egypt would never exist, as ancient Egyptians didn't have a market economy, and as such, had no need for any jobs programs.

You entered the discussion and tried to hoist that flaming petard, only to be engulfed with it yourself.

The end result was you stupidly trying to argue that modern economic considerations were also present five thousand fucking years ago, which clearly, they were not.

Typical leftist retardation on display for everyone to see.

I read it pretty good.

Still, sounds like a jobs program. It isn't my fault you seem to have a hard time understanding the logic of your own positions.

What the fuck good does a job do to an economy that places no importance what so fucking ever on jobs?

The idea of an economy in an of itself was foreign to them. The very idea of an economy implies a recognition of the value of transactions between individuals for individual gain. They did not have that.

The absolute lack of ability of people in this age to understand that people of past ages did not see the world how they see it is astounding.

For fuck's sake, people used to go the theater to watch humans kill each other for entertainment. Can you for one second absorb that and entertain the notion that you can't possibly presume to claim they were the same as us?

Human beings would go to the city center and cheer at the spectacle of fellow humans being murdered in front of them, and yet you can't grasp the notion that those same people, who are as alien as aliens, didn't hold your views on jobs.

I don't fucking understand it. There isn't a chance in hell that you would join in on the cultural norms of people from five thousand years ago, yet you think those people held the same beliefs on economics that you hold today.

There's no other way to describe it other than abject lunacy.

I am morally certain they didn't hold 'my' views on jobs, or entertainment, or any other damn thing.

Still, I think it is fair to use terms like 'jobs' and 'entertainment' to describe what they were doing.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Give us your best shot at reconciling Sumerian views on child sacrifice with Christian views on the matter.

Nothing at all about a human sacrifice in Christianity.

[Okeefenokee]

Give us your best shot at reconciling Sumerian views on child sacrifice with Christian views on the matter.

Nothing at all about a human sacrifice in Christianity.

If you're ignorant, sure.