Meme Thread for Memes and other assorted Lulz

[Speaker to Animals]

Imagine you, as a conscious human, encounter large numbers of humans that completely lack that sense of identity and a cognitive space, and sort of lived out a robotic existence.

Kill them immediately I suppose. I think it is safe to assume I should murder people whose subjective existence is incomprehensible to me, being a conscious human.

If the theory is true, they didn't even possess a subjective existence. That's what would differentiate you from them.

He argues this is why the Spanish were so freaked out by the Peruvians, even more so than the Mexica, even though the Mexica would fucking eat people. You need a written language, bare minimum, to begin to create consciousness (according to him).

Shit will blow your mind, but if you just hear a summary like this, it sounds far-fetched. You really have to read the book.

It kind of seems like the Egyptians had no freewill. Not even the pharaoh. He was just following the instructions from his bicameral mind, which he interpreted as the voice of his predecessor. The author even goes into every day written reports where people were talking about these voices in Egypt. It's really fucking weird.

[Okeefenokee]

How much of McDonald's does the fry cook typically own?

So, you're trying to equate Egyptian law, where no one other than the Pharaoh legally owned anything, to the American capitalist phenomenon that is the most profitable private food enterprise that ever existed on this planet, ever.

Get apeman on the phone. Retard peak is rising faster than plate tech-tonics should allow.

You said that the laborers not owning the fruits of their labor was the important distinction. Apparently there is a different distinction you find more relevant.

Most profitable food chain or best god-king tomb the world has ever seen... makes little difference to the person humping stones or running the fryer I should think. Not bad work exactly, either one, but you don't get the fruits either way.

Read better next time you try to come into a thread half cocked with no idea what is being discussed.

A bullshit meme about slaves building the pyramids was being addressed. Penner called it a government jobs program. Typical know-nothing leftist horseshit was called out, with the addendum that a jobs program in ancient Egypt would never exist, as ancient Egyptians didn't have a market economy, and as such, had no need for any jobs programs.

You entered the discussion and tried to hoist that flaming petard, only to be engulfed with it yourself.

The end result was you stupidly trying to argue that modern economic considerations were also present five thousand fucking years ago, which clearly, they were not.

Typical leftist retardation on display for everyone to see.

[Penner]

Imagine you, as a conscious human, encounter large numbers of humans that completely lack that sense of identity and a cognitive space, and sort of lived out a robotic existence.

Kill them immediately I suppose. I think it is safe to assume I should murder people whose subjective existence is incomprehensible to me, being a conscious human.

If the theory is true, they didn't even possess a subjective existence. That's what would differentiate you from them.

He argues this is why the Spanish were so freaked out by the Peruvians, even more so than the Mexica, even though the Mexica would fucking eat people. You need a written language, bare minimum, to begin to create consciousness (according to him).

Shit will blow your mind, but if you just hear a summary like this, it sounds far-fetched. You really have to read the book.

It kind of seems like the Egyptians had no freewill. Not even the pharaoh. He was just following the instructions from his bicameral mind, which he interpreted as the voice of his predecessor. The author even goes into every day written reports where people were talking about these voices in Egypt. It's really fucking weird.

But the Ancient Egyptians had two different written languages. Most of the stuff we now about them, outside of just digging their bodies and old shit, comes from these written sources.

Ancient Egyptian writing is known as hieroglyphics ('sacred carvings') and developed at some point prior to the Early Dynastic Period (c. 3150 -2613 BCE). According to some scholars, the concept of the written word was first developed in Mesopotamia and came to Egypt through trade. While there certainly was cross-cultural exchange between the two regions, Egyptian hieroglyphics are completely Egyptian in origin; there is no evidence of early writings which describe non-Egyptian concepts, places, or objects, and early Egyptian pictographs have no correlation to early Mesopotamian signs. The designation 'hieroglyphics' is a Greek word; the Egyptians referred to their writing as medu-netjer, 'the god's words,' as they believed writing had been given to them by the great god Thoth.

Even so, hieroglyphics were obviously quite labor-intensive for a scribe and so another faster script was developed shortly after known as hieratic ('sacred writing'). Hieratic script used characters which were simplified versions of hieroglyphic symbols. Hieratic appeared in the Early Dynastic Period in Egypt after hieroglyphic writing was already firmly developed.

Hieroglyphics continued to be used throughout Egypt's history in all forms of writing but came primarily to be the script of monuments and temples. Hieroglyphics, grouped in their beautifully formed rectangles, leant themselves to the grandeur of monumental inscriptions. Hieratic came to be used first in religious texts but then in other areas such as business administration, magical texts, personal and business letters, and legal documents such as wills and court records. Hieratic was written on papyrus or ostraca and practiced on stone and wood. It developed into a cursive script around 800 BCE (known as 'abnormal hieratic') and then was replaced c. 700 BCE by demotic script.

Demotic script ('popular writing') was used in every kind of writing while hieroglyphics continued to be the script of monumental inscriptions in stone. The Egyptians called demotic sekh-shat, 'writing for documents,' and it became the most popular for the next 1,000 years in all kinds of written works. Demotic script seems to have originated in the Delta region of Lower Egypt and spread south during the 26th Dynasty of the Third Intermediate Period (c. 1069-525 BCE). Demotic continued in use through the Late Period of Ancient Egypt (525-332 BCE) and the Ptolemaic Dynasty (332-30 BCE) into Roman Egypt when it was replaced by Coptic script.

https://www.ancient.eu/Egyptian_Writing/

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

If the theory is true, they didn't even possess a subjective existence. That's what would differentiate you from them.

Communicating directly with god every time I try to solve a novel problem, but otherwise operating off of habit sounds like a subjective existence.

[Speaker to Animals]

Kill them immediately I suppose. I think it is safe to assume I should murder people whose subjective existence is incomprehensible to me, being a conscious human.

If the theory is true, they didn't even possess a subjective existence. That's what would differentiate you from them.

He argues this is why the Spanish were so freaked out by the Peruvians, even more so than the Mexica, even though the Mexica would fucking eat people. You need a written language, bare minimum, to begin to create consciousness (according to him).

Shit will blow your mind, but if you just hear a summary like this, it sounds far-fetched. You really have to read the book.

It kind of seems like the Egyptians had no freewill. Not even the pharaoh. He was just following the instructions from his bicameral mind, which he interpreted as the voice of his predecessor. The author even goes into every day written reports where people were talking about these voices in Egypt. It's really fucking weird.

But the Ancient Egyptians had two different written languages. Most of the stuff we now about them, outside of just digging their bodies and old shit, comes from these written sources.

Ancient Egyptian writing is known as hieroglyphics ('sacred carvings') and developed at some point prior to the Early Dynastic Period (c. 3150 -2613 BCE). According to some scholars, the concept of the written word was first developed in Mesopotamia and came to Egypt through trade. While there certainly was cross-cultural exchange between the two regions, Egyptian hieroglyphics are completely Egyptian in origin; there is no evidence of early writings which describe non-Egyptian concepts, places, or objects, and early Egyptian pictographs have no correlation to early Mesopotamian signs. The designation 'hieroglyphics' is a Greek word; the Egyptians referred to their writing as medu-netjer, 'the god's words,' as they believed writing had been given to them by the great god Thoth.

Even so, hieroglyphics were obviously quite labor-intensive for a scribe and so another faster script was developed shortly after known as hieratic ('sacred writing'). Hieratic script used characters which were simplified versions of hieroglyphic symbols. Hieratic appeared in the Early Dynastic Period in Egypt after hieroglyphic writing was already firmly developed.

Hieroglyphics continued to be used throughout Egypt's history in all forms of writing but came primarily to be the script of monuments and temples. Hieroglyphics, grouped in their beautifully formed rectangles, leant themselves to the grandeur of monumental inscriptions. Hieratic came to be used first in religious texts but then in other areas such as business administration, magical texts, personal and business letters, and legal documents such as wills and court records. Hieratic was written on papyrus or ostraca and practiced on stone and wood. It developed into a cursive script around 800 BCE (known as 'abnormal hieratic') and then was replaced c. 700 BCE by demotic script.

Demotic script ('popular writing') was used in every kind of writing while hieroglyphics continued to be the script of monumental inscriptions in stone. The Egyptians called demotic sekh-shat, 'writing for documents,' and it became the most popular for the next 1,000 years in all kinds of written works. Demotic script seems to have originated in the Delta region of Lower Egypt and spread south during the 26th Dynasty of the Third Intermediate Period (c. 1069-525 BCE). Demotic continued in use through the Late Period of Ancient Egypt (525-332 BCE) and the Ptolemaic Dynasty (332-30 BCE) into Roman Egypt when it was replaced by Coptic script.

https://www.ancient.eu/Egyptian_Writing/

And.. they eventually developed consciousness. It happened during the Bronze Age Collapse according to him. It all adds up and makes a lot of sense, even if every part of my being wants to deny it. It makes so much freaking sense out of things.

Like I said before..

Before consciousness: no markets, no complex legal system, pharoah's treasures were buried inside an obvious landmark anybody could walk up to and steal from, but nobody did until later.

After consciousness: complex laws enforced through violence and coercion, private property rises, treasures have to be hidden in secret tombs.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

So, you're trying to equate Egyptian law, where no one other than the Pharaoh legally owned anything, to the American capitalist phenomenon that is the most profitable private food enterprise that ever existed on this planet, ever.

Get apeman on the phone. Retard peak is rising faster than plate tech-tonics should allow.

You said that the laborers not owning the fruits of their labor was the important distinction. Apparently there is a different distinction you find more relevant.

Most profitable food chain or best god-king tomb the world has ever seen... makes little difference to the person humping stones or running the fryer I should think. Not bad work exactly, either one, but you don't get the fruits either way.

Read better next time you try to come into a thread half cocked with no idea what is being discussed.

A bullshit meme about slaves building the pyramids was being addressed. Penner called it a government jobs program. Typical know-nothing leftist horseshit was called out, with the addendum that a jobs program in ancient Egypt would never exist, as ancient Egyptians didn't have a market economy, and as such, had no need for any jobs programs.

You entered the discussion and tried to hoist that flaming petard, only to be engulfed with it yourself.

The end result was you stupidly trying to argue that modern economic considerations were also present five thousand fucking years ago, which clearly, they were not.

Typical leftist retardation on display for everyone to see.

I read it pretty good.

Still, sounds like a jobs program. It isn't my fault you seem to have a hard time understanding the logic of your own positions.

[Speaker to Animals]

To call it a job implies a market, though. They ran things more like a beehive. You just did what you were ordered to do.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

To call it a job implies a market, though. They ran things more like a beehive. You just did what you were ordered to do.

Were they compensated for the work?

Sounds like a job.

Did the state provide the job?

Sounds like a jobs program.

If they weren't compensated, then they were slaves, and Penner's meme was accurate.

I think all of that holds even if they had bicameral minds.

[Speaker to Animals]

To call it a job implies a market, though. They ran things more like a beehive. You just did what you were ordered to do.

Were they compensated for the work?

Sounds like a job.

Did the state provide the job?

Sounds like a jobs program.

If they weren't compensated, then they were slaves, and Penner's meme was accurate.

I think all of that holds even if they had bicameral minds.

Those terms don't make sense in this context. They were provided for, nourished, healed when needed, and if they pleased the Pharoah, he might reward them with the right to use more of the Pharoah's property. But everything belonged to the Pharoah, and even the Pharoah answered to the gods.

It was a beehive.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

To call it a job implies a market, though. They ran things more like a beehive. You just did what you were ordered to do.

Were they compensated for the work?

Sounds like a job.

Did the state provide the job?

Sounds like a jobs program.

If they weren't compensated, then they were slaves, and Penner's meme was accurate.

I think all of that holds even if they had bicameral minds.

Those terms don't make sense in this context. They were provided for, nourished, healed when needed, and if they pleased the Pharoah, he might reward them with the right to use more of the Pharoah's property. But everything belonged to the Pharoah, and even the Pharoah answered to the gods.

It was a beehive.

That is a bit of a stretch. That isn't arguing that it wasn't a job because there wasn't a market, that is arguing that it wasn't a job because they weren't really 'human.'

I imagine there is still a lot of light between bicameralism (assuming it is true) and an insect like hive mind.