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Re: Food and drink

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:57 pm

Montegriffo wrote:Broccoli, haloumi and sun dried tomato kebabs cooked on the barbeque beats cheap puss burgers any day of the week for flavour and easily contains more nutrients than any meat product.

Jesus, Monty. That's not what BBQ means.

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Re: Food and drink

Post by TheReal_ND » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:19 pm

Exept there is hardly any protein. You know, the stuff you need for muscle mass.... nah whatever

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Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:24 pm

Nukedog wrote:Exept there is hardly any protein. You know, the stuff you need for muscle mass.... nah whatever

One thing I have learned is that carbs from veggies is just as important as the protein. Seems counter-intuitive, and I don't know why, but you might want to increase the greens. Also try to make meals with as much color as you can find. Reds and yellows tend to indicate more Vitamin A, for instance. It gets complicated, but a general rule is to try to get in lots of colors, but with a really high amount of greens. That broccoli is actually probably a really good food for building muscles. You need the stuff in those kinds of veggies to produce testosterone and some other hormones. Also there are various chemicals in vegetables that we don't really even understand but know they are very important.

I just hate broccoli. I get most of my greens from things like spinach, kale, green beans, etc. If I could stand broccoli, I'd probably eat something like that food every day, if you want the honest truth.

I think you really only need to push your protein up to 2 grams per lbs of body weight when you get much bigger. For the average dude, probably 0.5-0.7 grams per lbs of body weight is ideal, with lots and lots and lots of vegetables for carbs. Whole foods only.

I use a shit ton of peppers too. All kinds. Bell peppers. Sweet peppers. Hot peppers. Those things are really good for you and pack a lot of the micro-nutrients you need.

For instance, in a skillet, you can cook in olive oil some chicken breast or tenderloins cut into sections with an onion, sweet peppers, spinnach, garlic, and whatever seasoning you want to use. In the oven you can roast potatoes and carrots. That right there gives you most of the micro-nutrients you need. Maybe add in the day plenty of whole milk, an apple, and a banana. For extra protein, use whey protein powder along with your milk.
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Re: Food and drink

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Speaker to Animals wrote:
Nukedog wrote:Exept there is hardly any protein. You know, the stuff you need for muscle mass.... nah whatever

One thing I have learned is that carbs from veggies is just as important as the protein. Seems counter-intuitive, and I don't know why, but you might want to increase the greens. Also try to make meals with as much color as you can find. Reds and yellows tend to indicate more Vitamin A, for instance. It gets complicated, but a general rule is to try to get in lots of colors, but with a really high amount of greens. That broccoli is actually probably a really good food for building muscles. You need the stuff in those kinds of veggies to produce testosterone and some other hormones. Also there are various chemicals in vegetables that we don't really even understand but know they are very important.

I just hate broccoli. I get most of my greens from things like spinach, kale, green beans, etc. If I could stand broccoli, I'd probably eat something like that food every day, if you want the honest truth.

I think you really only need to push your protein up to 2 grams per lbs of body weight when you get much bigger. For the average dude, probably 0.5-0.7 grams per lbs of body weight is ideal, with lots and lots and lots of vegetables for carbs. Whole foods only.

I use a shit ton of peppers too. All kinds. Bell peppers. Sweet peppers. Hot peppers. Those things are really good for you and pack a lot of the micro-nutrients you need.
I hate the way broccoli tastes and smells when it is cooking. Personally, I prefer spinach, kale, and arrugula. The thing is, spinach has fat soluble vitamins, so it is actually beneficial to cover it in a fatty salad dressing which makes it easier to eat. I have read that Kale and spinach are good for muscle growth, but they don't have much protein, only iron and Vitamin A I believe. Don't quote me on that because I'm not 100% sure. I am growing jalapenos and banana peppers atm. They somehow turned out not hot at all. They are positively mild, and eating the seeds only gives the slightest heat. Its weird. I fucked up somehow. I love hot peppers.
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Re: Food and drink

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:31 pm

heydaralon wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Nukedog wrote:Exept there is hardly any protein. You know, the stuff you need for muscle mass.... nah whatever

One thing I have learned is that carbs from veggies is just as important as the protein. Seems counter-intuitive, and I don't know why, but you might want to increase the greens. Also try to make meals with as much color as you can find. Reds and yellows tend to indicate more Vitamin A, for instance. It gets complicated, but a general rule is to try to get in lots of colors, but with a really high amount of greens. That broccoli is actually probably a really good food for building muscles. You need the stuff in those kinds of veggies to produce testosterone and some other hormones. Also there are various chemicals in vegetables that we don't really even understand but know they are very important.

I just hate broccoli. I get most of my greens from things like spinach, kale, green beans, etc. If I could stand broccoli, I'd probably eat something like that food every day, if you want the honest truth.

I think you really only need to push your protein up to 2 grams per lbs of body weight when you get much bigger. For the average dude, probably 0.5-0.7 grams per lbs of body weight is ideal, with lots and lots and lots of vegetables for carbs. Whole foods only.

I use a shit ton of peppers too. All kinds. Bell peppers. Sweet peppers. Hot peppers. Those things are really good for you and pack a lot of the micro-nutrients you need.
I hate the way broccoli tastes and smells when it is cooking. Personally, I prefer spinach, kale, and arrugula. The thing is, spinach has fat soluble vitamins, so it is actually beneficial to cover it in a fatty salad dressing which makes it easier to eat. I have read that Kale and spinach are good for muscle growth, but they don't have much protein, only iron and Vitamin A I believe. Don't quote me on that because I'm not 100% sure. I am growing jalapenos and banana peppers atm. They somehow turned out not hot at all. They are positively mild, and eating the seeds only gives the slightest heat. Its weird. I fucked up somehow. I love hot peppers.

When you stir fry your chicken (presumably with an onion and some red/yellow peppers), add a lot of spinach at the end. Pile it on. It breaks down as you cook it in the olive oil anyway. That's how I get almost 100% of my daily iron requirements when I keep up with it.

But I get really tired of eating that meal with slightly different seasoning every day. Still, that really works.

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Re: Food and drink

Post by heydaralon » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:34 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
heydaralon wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:

One thing I have learned is that carbs from veggies is just as important as the protein. Seems counter-intuitive, and I don't know why, but you might want to increase the greens. Also try to make meals with as much color as you can find. Reds and yellows tend to indicate more Vitamin A, for instance. It gets complicated, but a general rule is to try to get in lots of colors, but with a really high amount of greens. That broccoli is actually probably a really good food for building muscles. You need the stuff in those kinds of veggies to produce testosterone and some other hormones. Also there are various chemicals in vegetables that we don't really even understand but know they are very important.

I just hate broccoli. I get most of my greens from things like spinach, kale, green beans, etc. If I could stand broccoli, I'd probably eat something like that food every day, if you want the honest truth.

I think you really only need to push your protein up to 2 grams per lbs of body weight when you get much bigger. For the average dude, probably 0.5-0.7 grams per lbs of body weight is ideal, with lots and lots and lots of vegetables for carbs. Whole foods only.

I use a shit ton of peppers too. All kinds. Bell peppers. Sweet peppers. Hot peppers. Those things are really good for you and pack a lot of the micro-nutrients you need.
I hate the way broccoli tastes and smells when it is cooking. Personally, I prefer spinach, kale, and arrugula. The thing is, spinach has fat soluble vitamins, so it is actually beneficial to cover it in a fatty salad dressing which makes it easier to eat. I have read that Kale and spinach are good for muscle growth, but they don't have much protein, only iron and Vitamin A I believe. Don't quote me on that because I'm not 100% sure. I am growing jalapenos and banana peppers atm. They somehow turned out not hot at all. They are positively mild, and eating the seeds only gives the slightest heat. Its weird. I fucked up somehow. I love hot peppers.

When you stir fry your chicken (presumably with an onion and some red/yellow peppers), add a lot of spinach at the end. Pile it on. It breaks down as you cook it in the olive oil anyway. That's how I get almost 100% of my daily iron requirements when I keep up with it.

But I get really tired of eating that meal with slightly different seasoning every day. Still, that really works.
Is it true that vegetables are not as nutritious after you cook them? Do they lose vitamins that way? Someone told me that, and I don't remember my nutrition class well. That might be bro science idk.
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Re: Food and drink

Post by TheReal_ND » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:37 pm

They lose vitamins but they are far harder to digest uncooked, depending on the food like all foods.

Green bell peppers are the ones with more b6 iirc. You're right, each color has a different vitamin complex. Bell peppers and beef has always been my goal for a diet tbh. I've settled on milk for a panacea for my shitty diet.

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Re: Food and drink

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:44 pm

heydaralon wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:
heydaralon wrote:
I hate the way broccoli tastes and smells when it is cooking. Personally, I prefer spinach, kale, and arrugula. The thing is, spinach has fat soluble vitamins, so it is actually beneficial to cover it in a fatty salad dressing which makes it easier to eat. I have read that Kale and spinach are good for muscle growth, but they don't have much protein, only iron and Vitamin A I believe. Don't quote me on that because I'm not 100% sure. I am growing jalapenos and banana peppers atm. They somehow turned out not hot at all. They are positively mild, and eating the seeds only gives the slightest heat. Its weird. I fucked up somehow. I love hot peppers.

When you stir fry your chicken (presumably with an onion and some red/yellow peppers), add a lot of spinach at the end. Pile it on. It breaks down as you cook it in the olive oil anyway. That's how I get almost 100% of my daily iron requirements when I keep up with it.

But I get really tired of eating that meal with slightly different seasoning every day. Still, that really works.
Is it true that vegetables are not as nutritious after you cook them? Do they lose vitamins that way? Someone told me that, and I don't remember my nutrition class well. That might be bro science idk.

They probably lose some nutrient value, but I think that raw vegan thing is a fad. I looked into it a little, especially with respect to the spinach, and you really don't lose much. With respect to spinach, cooking it greatly reduces volume so you can more easily consume more as well.

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Re: Food and drink

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:45 pm

I might actually pick up one of those weird broccolis tomorrow if I can find it. That article said it was sweeter than regular broccoli so maybe it's not so nasty.

I have been meaning to increase my veggies intake even more while reducing the potato/rice intake while I cut.

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Re: Food and drink

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:51 pm

heydaralon wrote: I am growing jalapenos and banana peppers atm. They somehow turned out not hot at all. They are positively mild, and eating the seeds only gives the slightest heat. Its weird. I fucked up somehow. I love hot peppers.
If you live in a wet climate, that's pretty typical. Peppers need a bit of dryness, to get really hot. Also, if you have clay soil, it can hold a lot of water as well. Try tilling your garden deep, with a bunch of compost next spring, to loosen it up.
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