Socialism

[Fife]

[Zlaxer]

Just seems like there’s no stopping the marxist recolution thats hatching in our “universities”.....

[Speaker to Animals]

We are stopping them right now.

You have to wait for the evaporation of the normie space. That entire mindset has to die. Most people have to choose to join Marxism/globalism or stand against it.

[Zlaxer]

We are stopping them right now.

You have to wait for the evaporation of the normie space. That entire mindset has to die. Most people have to choose to join Marxism/globalism or stand against it.

Splain yourself?


*Just feels like a "dark age" is around the corner...Marxism is appealing to the numerous proles...but Marxism always ends with a boot in your face....Science will be forced to bend to the will of the Marxists and die.

[Speaker to Animals]

We are stopping them right now.

You have to wait for the evaporation of the normie space. That entire mindset has to die. Most people have to choose to join Marxism/globalism or stand against it.

Splain yourself?


*Just feels like a "dark age" is around the corner...Marxism is appealing to the numerous proles...but Marxism always ends with a boot in your face....Science will be forced to bend to the will of the Marxists and die.

Dark age is not bad.

The cycle of civilization dictates that this level of centralization and subsequent degeneracy cannot sustain. I spent a few years reading a lot of books by historians who actually try to tackle the predictive cycles of history. It turns out that many of what we call collapses were actually desired by the majority of participants in a civilization.

There also are periods where the entire paradigm upon which a civilization is built is uprooted and changes. The classical collapse of Mayan cities, for instance, is one of those. It's not that this civilization disappeared. People literally packed their shit and moved out of the cities, leaving the elites to their empty, crumbling ruins. There was a great series on Mesoamerican civilizations on Audible in which the archaeologist who gave the lectures said it's not as though these people disappeared. We know where they went. They just moved to different places and started living in a different way.

I would even argue that our own collapse of classical civilization in Europe was welcomed by many. Not so much for the urbanites in places like Rome. They, after all, got sacked. But the average people out there were likely getting crushed by the empire. The taxes that went nowhere. The lack of defense. The fucking laws that prohibited them from raising their own armies to defend themselves. Towards the end, I can almost guarantee the average dark age community in Northern Europe was fielding secret armies and drilling them out in the hills away from the Roman authorities ability see what was going on. Because if they were caught raising armies, not to challenge the empire, but simply to defend themselves when the empire would not, THEN the empire would finally send sufficient troops -- to put down their own people trying to defend themselves.

That is what we now call anarcho-tyranny. Anarcho-tyranny is when the British government does almost nothing about rampant crime perpetrated by the masses of criminal foreigners they allowed through the proverbial gates, but will show up in the middle of the night to arrest an actual Briton for complaining about it on Facebook. The lawful are persecuted and the criminals allowed to roam free.

This happens because as the state destabilizes, the only way to maintain power is through the cancer we now call multiculturalism. The state allows mass migrations of totally incompatible people into the borders. This creates sectarian tensions, decreases social cohesion (so people cannot really organize against the government), and then as a bonus the government can use the resulting crime to justify raising more taxes, creating more authoritarian laws (for everybody's protection), and further solidifying central authority.

But it's always a mirage, that kind of power and authority. It doesn't last long.

I believe we are much, much closer to this point than many people believe. The dark age in terms of the intellect is already here, and most people don't even notice. We don't really do much actual science any longer. Innovation is slowing down for all but a few profitable commercial products and services. Even there it's definitely stagnating. Consider the leap in mobile device technology between the late 1990s to the late 2000s compared to what we see now. We don't have any great advances like that any longer, and I wouldn't hold my breath. With marxists controlling the tech industry, jack shit can get done.

But is that bad? Not really. Let it play out. Immanentize the eschaton.

Because socialism, and indeed any ideology that looks towards increasing state centralization, is quite on the wrong side of history. We are peaking out in terms of centralization right now. We could see a bout of tyranny for a few generations if such tyrants could get their shit together, but that's best case scenario for central governments.

The reality is that EVERYWHERE the vast majority of people actually want decentralization. Even the progressive proles want it in places like California when you think about it, and consider what they are doing with respect to drugs and immigration. If these people get total power now to increase centralization, I think they will only accelerate the rapid decentralization of human civilization.

[Zlaxer]

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/40 ... re-for-all

A vast majority — 70 percent — of Americans in a new poll supports "Medicare for all," also known as a single-payer health-care system.

It's coming....and it won't be stopped.

[Okeefenokee]

Polls? Yeah, I heard of polls before.

Would you rather have single payer healthcare, or die in the street like a dog?

[Speaker to Animals]

I think the best solution is to have both.

Expand Medicare to cover people who cannot afford insurance. Medicare for the non-elderly and non-disabled would be bare-minimum provision of health care. You get nothing elective.

Figure out how to decouple private health insurance from employers (horrible idea from the start) and make the entire nation a single health care market for people to shop for insurance policies in a way that insurers must compete.

There's the obvious problem of state regulations here, so I am not sure how to preempt those. Places like California will become almost exclusively Medicare states because they will regulate the private insurers so much that there are few private insurers operating there and the policies are so expensive only the wealthy have them.

So.. I don't really know. What we have now isn't going to work. What we had before we got Obamacare sure as shit wasn't going to work either.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Given the absurd and broken pricing model of both medical care and insurance in this country, the only option remaining seems to be single-payer.

Nobody can afford this level of graft anymore. And yes, I know it will be just as bad under government control, but I don’t see another answer.

[Zlaxer]

Given the absurd and broken pricing model of both medical care and insurance in this country, the only option remaining seems to be single-payer.

Or, we could, GASP, use the anti-monopoly laws to reign in the insurance industry....and perhaps the Hospital Admins.