Are you part of the New Counterculture

[TheReal_ND]

so like a lolb that doesn't really believe in anything. I would disregard his warning about not letting it be co-opted.

[SuburbanFarmer]

OWS was co-opted pretty fucking quickly. I'd say it's a valuable warning.

[katarn]

Prof CJ from the Dangerous History Podcast coins the term 'the new counterculture '. He describes who is in it, and discusses how the original counterculture failed.

Traits of the New Counterculture
(There are outliers)
20s to 40 in age
Theologically relaxed
Not a partisan of either major party
Some what skeptical of fundamentalit religions
Independent livelihood or seeking it
Financially conservative in general
Skeptical of debt, focused on being out of debt
Don't believe in corporate capitalism, cronyism, mercantiism
Doesn't denigrate wealth
Values Independence more than Wealth
Focused on Maximizing Liberty in their own lives
Cynical about politics, in general
Neither Puritanical nor Hedonist about Vice
Understands the limitations of formal education
Actively pursues knowledge on their own
Joins few organizations
Gets almost all news from New Media
Typically live in a Blue City in a Red State
Concerned with food from corporate industry
Are or desire to grow their own food, or buy locally
Believe in Right to Defend yourself
Against big government, but also big business.

How well does that describe you?

A lot of it sounds right, but dang, half of us must be outside that age line. The ones I like there are pretty much the classical liberal ones, but I'm probably a bit more religious than his descriptions proscibe.

[SilverEagle]

Prof CJ from the Dangerous History Podcast coins the term 'the new counterculture '. He describes who is in it, and discusses how the original counterculture failed.

Traits of the New Counterculture
(There are outliers)
20s to 40 in age Yes
Theologically relaxed Yes
Not a partisan of either major party Yes
Some what skeptical of fundamentalit religions Yes
Independent livelihood or seeking it Yes
Financially conservative in general Yes
Skeptical of debt, focused on being out of debt Yes
Don't believe in corporate capitalism, cronyism, mercantiism Yes
Doesn't denigrate wealth Yes
Values Independence more than Wealth Yes - Because if you have independence wealth will follow
Focused on Maximizing Liberty in their own lives Yes
Cynical about politics, in general Yes
Neither Puritanical nor Hedonist about Vice Yes
Understands the limitations of formal education Yes
Actively pursues knowledge on their own Yes
Joins few organizations Yes
Gets almost all news from New Media Yes
Typically live in a Blue City in a Red State No
Concerned with food from corporate industry Yes
Are or desire to grow their own food, or buy locally Yes
Believe in Right to Defend yourself Yes
Against big government, but also big business. Yes

How well does that describe you?

95.4%

The age limit would be 42 because episode 67 was published in July of 2015

[clubgop]

Sweet.. I have a new label!

Not a partisan of either major party

Nope

Cynical about politics, in general

Nope

Against big government,

Big Nope.

Nope, the old label of cowardly hack bitch still suffices.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Sweet.. I have a new label!

Not a partisan of either major party

Nope

Cynical about politics, in general

Nope

Against big government,

Big Nope.

Nope, the old label of cowardly hack bitch still suffices.

Hey look! Look everybody! I'm trolling that guy again! ahhahahahahhahahahhah!!! Isn't this great? Guys? Hello?......

I mean... shit. (sob) <click>

[clubgop]

Sweet.. I have a new label!

Not a partisan of either major party

Nope

Cynical about politics, in general

Nope

Against big government,

Big Nope.

Nope, the old label of cowardly hack bitch still suffices.

Hey look! Look everybody! I'm trolling that guy again! ahhahahahahhahahahhah!!! Isn't this great? Guys? Hello?......

I mean... shit. (sob) <click>

Syphilis again? Clean that dirty dick.

[C-Mag]

Prof CJ from the Dangerous History Podcast coins the term 'the new counterculture '. He describes who is in it, and discusses how the original counterculture failed.

Traits of the New Counterculture
(There are outliers)
20s to 40 in age


How well does that describe you?

A lot of it sounds right, but dang, half of us must be outside that age line. The ones I like there are pretty much the classical liberal ones, but I'm probably a bit more religious than his descriptions proscibe.

I tend to think his age estimate is off too. I would think Gen Xer would be the middle part of the curve

[C-Mag]

Prof CJ from the Dangerous History Podcast coins the term 'the new counterculture '. He describes who is in it, and discusses how the original counterculture failed.

Traits of the New Counterculture
(There are outliers)
20s to 40 in age Yes
Theologically relaxed Yes
Not a partisan of either major party Yes
Some what skeptical of fundamentalit religions Yes
Independent livelihood or seeking it Yes
Financially conservative in general Yes
Skeptical of debt, focused on being out of debt Yes
Don't believe in corporate capitalism, cronyism, mercantiism Yes
Doesn't denigrate wealth Yes
Values Independence more than Wealth Yes - Because if you have independence wealth will follow
Focused on Maximizing Liberty in their own lives Yes
Cynical about politics, in general Yes
Neither Puritanical nor Hedonist about Vice Yes
Understands the limitations of formal education Yes
Actively pursues knowledge on their own Yes
Joins few organizations Yes
Gets almost all news from New Media Yes
Typically live in a Blue City in a Red State No
Concerned with food from corporate industry Yes
Are or desire to grow their own food, or buy locally Yes
Believe in Right to Defend yourself Yes
Against big government, but also big business. Yes

How well does that describe you?

95.4%

The age limit would be 42 because episode 67 was published in July of 2015

H/T on the age issue.

I'm pretty much with you, I'd say in about the 90% range

[Speaker to Animals]

Two problems:

(1) He's basically engaging in the kind of narrative-building that makes it so impossible to discuss anything honestly any longer. It's not deliberate. We all risk falling into this trap, especially in our time. Basically, we spend a lot of time defining conditions and concepts upfront in order to build a kind of rhetorical or logical model of the world. To work well, it has to be intellectually pleasing at some level. Then we spend all our time just discussing the relationships between the concepts of the model rather than the real world. The danger here is that we risk spending all our time arguing over nuances in in an intellectual model that has no bearing on reality.

In this case, his model is so specific that it doesn't even cover a large plurality of the population. So even if a person with those attributes is likely to subscribe to some new ideological bent, it wouldn't say much about the entire polity, much less how we can manage to change anything.

Essentially, the narrative-building trap leads us to spend more time obsessing over the model than trying to see if the model matches reality. You can usually spot it when a person has to being with a ton of redefinitions of common words, but also in the establishment of an exemplar. I am not trying to be mean about item (1). I fall into this trap all the time too. I think it doesn't help you to actually solve problems, though.



(2) When people use these attribute lists to define some exemplar in their narrative, they almost always describe themselves. This is like a philosophical Mary Sue argument. It sucks. Sorry.

It's like saying, "hey, you're like me in these special ways? We are the new thing, man!" No. You have to show me how those attributes we share in common make some distinction with respect to the political discourse or issues playing out in the government today. These attributes don't really make any distinction like that. Your gender makes a greater distinction than those things since it can literally lock you out of a better education or even a better job due to affirmative action policies. Your gender can result in you receiving far more punishment for a crime than the other gender. Your race makes a similar impact.

Do you know what doesn't really make a distinction? Like half the shit on that Mary Sue list.