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[Smitty-48]

I like McDonagh a lot, quietly goes about his business, not flashy, doesn't get a lot of hype, but highly underrated and a dirt cheap moneyball steal at 4.7.

Right but McDonagh is not better than Hedman, Karlsson or Subban, talent wise, you might prefer his contract, but be real dude. Being well rounded doesn't make you the best, lots of guys are well rounded, especially at the elite level.

He's better than Karlsson and Subban in his own end, and he still has a lot of offensive upside, defence first, score after, and I have to take the contracts into account, it's a cap world, all players must be evaluated against their cap hit, moneyball is essential, plus I also love moneyball, moneyball makes it interesting, and moneyball imposes discipline, if the Leafs could just spend unlimited amounts, they would actually be a tire fire and they never would have gotten the shot at Matthews.

[StCapps]

I like McDonagh a lot, quietly goes about his business, not flashy, doesn't get a lot of hype, but highly underrated and a dirt cheap moneyball steal at 4.7.

Right but McDonagh is not better than Hedman, Karlsson or Subban, talent wise, you might prefer his contract, but be real dude. Being well rounded doesn't make you the best, lots of guys are well rounded, especially at the elite level.

He's better than Karlsson and Subban in his own end, and he still has a lot of offensive upside, defence first, score after, and I have to take the contracts into account, it's a cap world, all players must be evaluated against their cap hit, moneyball is essential, plus I also love moneyball, moneyball makes it interesting, and moneyball imposes discipline, if the Leafs could just spend unlimited amounts, they would actually be a tire fire and they never would have gotten the shot at Matthews.

Subban is better in his own end than McDonagh and has more offensive upside, same with Hedman, all three are better in the transition game than McDonagh, and Karlsson aint that far off defensively and is way better offensively.

Moneyball is the only argument that makes any sense in McDonaghs favor out of those four, but you overrate him as over compensation for other people underrating him talent wise.

[Smitty-48]

Nah, you way overrate PK cuz you're Prezident of the PK fan club, Karlsson is garbage in his own end, he totally relies on the Marc Methot guy to take care of the back end, without Marc Methot, Karlsson has been exposed this year.

Hedman is the real deal, Hedman is the gold standard right now.

[StCapps]

Nah, you way overrate PK cuz you're Prezident of the PK fan club, Karlsson is garbage in his own end, he totally relies on the Marc Methot guy to take care of the back end, without Marc Methot, Karlsson has been exposed this year.

Hedman is the real deal, Hedman is the gold standard right now.

Wrong, Karlssson carried Methot, not the other way around. Not having a Methot type doesn't help Karlsson, but that doesn't mean Methot was carrying him. PK is one of the best defensive defensemen in the NHL, you're just too big of a hater to notice that it's not 2014 anymore. You want to front like Josi and Ellis are carrying Subban in his own zone, but it's the other way around, Subban and Ekholm carry the Preds in their own zone, so Josi and Ellis can do their thing offensively and in the transition game, just because PK has plenty of offense and transition doesn't mean he sucks on defense, fake news.

[Smitty-48]

It's not that Methot was carrying Karlsson, it's just that Karlsson doesn't play any defence, so he needs a defence caddy to do all the spade work which Karlsson is just too soft and lazy to take care of himself.

[StCapps]

It's not that Methot was carrying Karlsson, it's just that Karlsson doesn't play any defence, so he needs a defence caddy to do all the spade work which Karlsson is just too soft and lazy to take care of himself.

Caveat accepted.
PK and Ekholm are the caddy's in Nashville, fyi. It's just they are caddies with plenty of offense and transition game to go with it, so Josi and Ellis can do their thing. Ellis is the worst in his own zone, then Josi, then PK, and Ekholm is the best, that's the order.

Of course all four defensemen are fairly well rounded, but PK is actually the most well rounded of the bunch, yet you still hate on him, despite that being your number one criteria for rating defensemen, except if PK is the most well rounded of the bunch, then you give all the credit to the offensive guys over the better stay at home guys for some weird reason.

[Smitty-48]

With Hedman tho, oh that's a juggernaut, because Hedman can crush it in his own end, and rush the puck with Karlsson, Karlsson Hedman is bad ju-ju for the Leafs, for years to come, so I'm hoping it doens't come to pass. <fingers crossed>

[Smitty-48]

I mean, if it's going to be Hedman-Karlsson, then I think the Leafs should pull out the stops to get McDonagh, cause they're gonna need him.

[StCapps]

With Hedman tho, oh that's a juggernaut, because Hedman can crush it in his own end, and rush the puck with Karlsson, Karlsson Hedman is bad ju-ju for the Leafs, for years to come, so I'm hoping it doens't come to pass. <fingers crossed>

Yeah that shit would be insane, Tampa would be fucking set, Karlsson might even resign, maybe even on the cheap relatively speaking, because of the no state income tax and the team being fucking stacked. But they got to pay Kucherov too, so they'd have to make some moves.

[Smitty-48]

I don't buy resign on the cheap, next contract is going to be the big contract, Karlsson would like to take a couple runs at it with his buddy Hedman, but after that all bets are off, Karlsson is not taking a haircut like Stamkos did, but he would try to win the Cup in the next two years before he goes for his big payday.