The Great Movie Thread

[Smitty-48]

Occam's razor says Oswald, but Jack Ruby just up and shooting him has always stuck in my craw, what's the motivation? That's the part that weirds me out. I don't buy grassy knoll or any of that, but the hit on the hitman, that's a little suspicious, any way you slice it.

[heydaralon]

The thing is, I don't consider JFK to be that great of a president. He did some good stuff, and some really bad stuff, but all in all I think he wasn't so impressive. No ike, that's for sure. I do think he was a more capable dude than LBJ though. Also was a war hero, so on a personal level, a good human being. His wife did bupkis though.

[heydaralon]

Occam's razor says Oswald, but Jack Ruby just up and shooting him has always stuck in my craw, what's the motivation? That's the part that weirds me out. I don't buy grassy knoll or any of that, but the hit on the hitman, that's a little suspicious, any way you slice it.

Ruby was connected to the mafia with his nightclub right? That's where that whole theory comes from? Or was it his brother giving Hoffa a hard time?

[Smitty-48]

So Ruby throws his whole life away, to shoot a man who was going to the chair anyways, why again?

[heydaralon]

So Ruby throws his whole life away, to shoot a man who was going to the chair anyways, why again?

Well, if someone was leveraging him, and he would be throwing his life away, what would he have to lose from going to the authorities? How could you convince a dude to take decades in prison without him ratting you out?

[Smitty-48]

So Ruby throws his whole life away, to shoot a man who was going to the chair anyways, why again?

How could you convince a dude to take decades in prison without him ratting you out?

Indeed, that's it right there, that's a lot of power, that's a breathtaking amount of influence, and if something with that kind of power, wanted Oswald dead, before he could talk, and could make it happen with such ease, that's where you start to wonder what might be behind the vale.

[Smitty-48]

Bear in mind, it wasn't decades in prison that Ruby was sentenced to, he was sentenced to death, he was going to death row, so taking Oswald out, if it was a mission, was a suicide mission in fact.

When Ruby shoots Oswald, it's decisive, it's fearless, it's deliberate, he doesn't flinch or hesitate at all, whatever his motivation was, it certainly had a firm grip of him.

And this is all to shoot a guy, who was dead man walking anyways, if Ruby was sure enough that Oswald was the assassin to shoot him, then he would have been equally sure that Oswald was going to get the chair, so other than shooting Oswald before Oswald can talk, what is even the point?

The whole he was enraged by the killing of the President and so he shot Oswald in retaliation for it explanation, doesn't really make sense, Oswald was going to get what was coming to him, so even if you were enraged, why give him a quick death, at the expense of your own life?

It's certainly plausible that Ruby himself was simply a mad shooter, suicidal depression, narcissistic fame "I just shot John Lennon" complex, none the less, the confluence of events, right place, right time, takes him out like it ain't no thang, so Oswald takes his secrets to the grave? Suspicious, that.

[Smitty-48]

And that's another cool scene in the Jackie movie, RFK and LBJ and the staff are watching live on tv when Ruby shoots Oswald, and they react like; holee fuckin' shit, this is even bigger than we thought, that wasn't good, that's fuckin' conspiracy right thur, how many fuckin' people are after us?!

The movie captures all that quite well, the whole Democrats thinking that this was some sort of John Birch society conspiracy to overthrow the government or something like that, kill them all and stage a coup de tat.

Not everybody in America worshiped the Kennedy's, certainly not at the time, and the Kennedy's were more than aware, the "vast right wing conspiracy" theory was in full effect then as well.

[Smitty-48]

Watched 6 Days on Netflix; must see, 22 SAS at Princes Gate 1980, no comic book, historically and technically accurate down to the minutest detail.

[Montegriffo]

Watched 6 Days on Netflix; must see, 22 SAS at Princes Gate 1980, no comic book, historically and technically accurate down to the minutest detail.

I remember watching it live on TV.
Maggie had to secretly foot the £2 million bill to repair the Embassy to protect the identities of the SAS men and their methods.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/73685 ... ge-secrets