The Fucking Thatcher Thread

[StCapps]

Marns 4pts, Bozie 4 pts, JVR 3 pts. Dayum, that line is carrying them of late.

Both Marner and Nylander got off the schneid on the goal scoring tip. You got to see the one assist Marner got on the Bozak goal, and the Nylander goal was a dirty snipe too. Your boy Patty Marleau killed it too.

[Montegriffo]

When the private sector took over, of course they started growing and are worth far more now than when they were sold, that's how it's suppose to work. British consumers are far better off after her round of privatization than before, the jobs were going to be lost in those industries anyway, Thatcher saved jobs via privatization, by keeping those British Industries more competitive than they would have been without it.

The public sector was suffocating growth in Britain by crowding out the private sector pre-Thatcher, who knows how much worse off Britain would be without her buying them some time with her reforms, she was a breath of fresh of air.

Monte knew our rebuttal and pre-emptively stated it, in order to frame our rebuttal in a way that makes it seem like it doesn't actually rebut his entire argument, but it does.

Unemployment reached record heights under Thatcher. British coal was thrown under the bus in favour of imported Chinese coal. Shipbuilding went to Japan and South Korea, steel production went to China. Maggie was a huge force behind the Globalisation movement.
Those successful British utilities companies? Now mostly foreign owned. French and German companies snatched them up.
The public sector needed modernising but it didn't need to be sold off. We've swapped the overstaffing of Nationalised industries for Privatised industries making profits for shareholders and paying bloated salaries to its top executives. The result being higher prices for the consumer and profits going abroad.
Maggie just needed some quick cash to bolster the pound and get inflation down in a hurry. Short term political gain long term financial cost.

And what are we left with now? No manufacturing and half our GDP being in the notoriously unstable banking and financial services sector. Brexit could see a collapse in the British banking sector as the EU switches its banking headquarters to Frankfurt.

Good for Yuppies crap for blue collar workers. Happy banksters but back to means tested welfare for the millions put out of work.

With a poll tax thrown in for good measure.

[DrYouth]

Unemployment reached record heights under Thatcher. British coal was thrown under the bus in favour of imported Chinese coal. Shipbuilding went to Japan and South Korea, steel production went to China. Maggie was a huge force behind the Globalisation movement.
Those successful British utilities companies? Now mostly foreign owned. French and German companies snatched them up.
The public sector needed modernising but it didn't need to be sold off. We've swapped the overstaffing of Nationalised industries for Privatised industries making profits for shareholders and paying bloated salaries to its top executives. The result being higher prices for the consumer and profits going abroad.
Maggie just needed some quick cash to bolster the pound and get inflation down in a hurry. Short term political gain long term financial cost.

And what are we left with now? No manufacturing and half our GDP being in the notoriously unstable banking and financial services sector. Brexit could see a collapse in the British banking sector as the EU switches its banking headquarters to Frankfurt.

Good for Yuppies crap for blue collar workers. Happy banksters but back to means tested welfare for the millions put out of work.

With a poll tax thrown in for good measure.

There is a lot in common with the current state of affairs post Globalization in the US.
Loss of manufacturing. Privatization of utilities and national assets.
Growth of the bloated Financial Sector.
Rich got richer and the middle class got turfed to wage serfdom.

But was this Maggie's fault?
The left didn't seem to have any great ideas and failed to hold ground.

Everyone's pissed off but is this really the fault of either the left or the right?

Or was the West simply doomed to decline once it decided to go Global.
The Corporations have no real National interest.
They are non-patriotic.
The right got in bed with them and the left had no ability to contain them....
So the conditions of the everyman have declined and they seem to imagine their favorite villains based on ideology.

Trump is unlikely to gain much ground with his Wall and his Wheeling and Dealing efforts to Get Jobs Back.

[Montegriffo]

Unemployment reached record heights under Thatcher. British coal was thrown under the bus in favour of imported Chinese coal. Shipbuilding went to Japan and South Korea, steel production went to China. Maggie was a huge force behind the Globalisation movement.
Those successful British utilities companies? Now mostly foreign owned. French and German companies snatched them up.
The public sector needed modernising but it didn't need to be sold off. We've swapped the overstaffing of Nationalised industries for Privatised industries making profits for shareholders and paying bloated salaries to its top executives. The result being higher prices for the consumer and profits going abroad.
Maggie just needed some quick cash to bolster the pound and get inflation down in a hurry. Short term political gain long term financial cost.

And what are we left with now? No manufacturing and half our GDP being in the notoriously unstable banking and financial services sector. Brexit could see a collapse in the British banking sector as the EU switches its banking headquarters to Frankfurt.

Good for Yuppies crap for blue collar workers. Happy banksters but back to means tested welfare for the millions put out of work.

With a poll tax thrown in for good measure.

There is a lot in common with the current state of affairs post Globalization in the US.
Loss of manufacturing. Privatization of utilities and national assets.
Growth of the bloated Financial Sector.
Rich got richer and the middle class got turfed to wage serfdom.

But was this Maggie's fault?
The left didn't seem to have any great ideas and failed to hold ground.

Everyone's pissed off but is this really the fault of either the left or the right?

Or was the West simply doomed to decline once it decided to go Global.
The Corporations have no real National interest.
They are non-patriotic.
The right got in bed with them and the left had no ability to contain them....
So the conditions of the everyman have declined and they seem to imagine their favorite villains based on ideology.

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't flying the flag for the crazy left at the time. Say what you like about Maggie she was better than the alternative of Micheal Foot or Neil Kinnock.
That's a long way from saying she was the best PM for the 80's. Could have had Ken Clarke, Jim Prior. Better still we could have had Paddy Ashdown's Liberal party.

[DBTrek]

Well ... now you’re going to have Mohammed Somebody for the next hundred years or so, we’ll see what kind of changes that’ll bring for you. Maybe the rainbows and unicorns are right around the corner.

[Smitty-48]

Thatcher didn't actually move things into the right, she simply reined in the left on the margins to stave off a price and wage spiraling implosion. To actually move things into the right of the spectrum, she would have had to line the screeching far leftists up against a wall and shot them.

[Montegriffo]

Well ... now you’re going to have Mohammed Somebody for the next hundred years or so, we’ll see what kind of changes that’ll bring for you. Maybe the rainbows and unicorns are right around the corner.

Pah, nonsense scaremongering. We'll have white, middle class, privately educated, Oxbridge Ruperts for years to come.

[Smitty-48]

The left can't even concede anything on the margins, without going into an hysterical meltdown as if the sky itself is falling, in the long run, if they keep this up, they're going to incite a fascist backlash against them and then they will get lined up against a wall and shot, and nothing any of us on the right will be able to do to stop it then, because it will not be us shooting them, it will be their own constituents.

The same sheeple who vote us down now, will be voting us down then, when they turn on their own, upon having to pay the piper.

[DBTrek]

Well ... now you’re going to have Mohammed Somebody for the next hundred years or so, we’ll see what kind of changes that’ll bring for you. Maybe the rainbows and unicorns are right around the corner.

Pah, nonsense scaremongering. We'll have white, middle class, privately educated, Oxbridge Ruperts for years to come.

If you say so.

[Montegriffo]

Well ... now you’re going to have Mohammed Somebody for the next hundred years or so, we’ll see what kind of changes that’ll bring for you. Maybe the rainbows and unicorns are right around the corner.

Pah, nonsense scaremongering. We'll have white, middle class, privately educated, Oxbridge Ruperts for years to come.

If you say so.

Oiks like that don't get to become PM. Not unless they go to the right schools in which case they will become English toffs anyway.