poll: was Hitler evil

[TheReal_ND]

Oh it's true they fled the cossaks. We have a poster here that will rail against white people for that right now. I'm sure it was for no reason at all they were persecuted so.

That said, the Bolshevik revolution was a veritable who's who of eastern European refugees. Still mad at Duncan for not mentioning jews even one time in his "Russian revolutions" series. Fucker is white washing history. Amazing how jews get away with so much and nazis get so little.

History is written by the victors. The Nazi's lost, and the people who won didn't like them very much. It's not rocket surgery.

We got to the Moon with Nazi scientists that didn't really give a fig about jews. We would have gotten further if it wasn't for jews.

[Smitty-48]

He couldn't do anything about them after over extending them. Mind you, he was a fucking politician. A corporal. He was no strategist. He sucked at that. Also mind, he was told from every corner he could do whatever he wanted to Russia, and he could have if it wasn't for the elements which he gambled on avoiding in a sudden invasion.

Strategically he was actually pretty good, the part he sucked at was operations.

If he had just laid out his strategic vision and then let the generals run it, they probably would have won.

The problem was him meddling at the operational level.

[BjornP]

If we remove the jewish question like the Holocaust...

...we're still left with state euthanasia on those doctors deemed "unworthy" of life, thoughtcrime, massive state censorship of what little free media they had, forced sterilizations, burning books deemed harmful to the State's vision of a glorious new future, the envisioned creation of a new form of aristocracy, the use of fake history and archaeology, and the censoring of history and archaeology deemed to not fit in with the State's interpretation of what Germanic superiority should look like.

The value of your beliefs are proportionate to how honest you are willing to be about them. Romantics are dreamers who put their targets of affection up on pedestals. Where they can never touch them, never hear them, and where who or whatever's up there, eventually starves to death and no one can hear them.
People like Hitler had the relationship to the German nation akin to a stalker's relationship to the target of his obsession. He is jerking off in a tree looking in on the German nation taking a bath, but he doesn't really have the guts to ask her out, yet. Then by a stroke of luck, she gets drunk at a party and decides to fuck him/vote for him. But in the morning, while he is taking a selfie with her in bed with him.....she farts. Loudly. Her fart is the fart of Soviet tanks rolling into Germany. And she rolls over, giggling at her own fart, because she turns out to actually feel comfortable with him now. Yet his fantasy of Glorious Lady Germany cracks, his pedestal wobbles, his dick softens and he gets angry. "She is nothing like I imagined her to be! She must be destroyed like everything else that didn't stand up to my ridiculous, childlike fantasy romanticisims of the country I wasn't even born in!". And so he retreats to a bunker, eats loads of veggie pasta dishes, shoots himself in the head, and orders his lackeys to burn his body. Like one of those forbidden, deplorable books.

Fuck them pedestals. The nation doesn't live in the clouds, so stop looking for it there. It lives down in the dirt, at the height where one man can shake hands with another of his nation. Or punch him in the face, for that matter. But most importantly you can never yourself feel as a part of your perfect ideal nation living way up there on a pedestal if you yourself are a not as perfect as your ridiculously perfect ideal of the nation.

[Hastur]

He couldn't do anything about them after over extending them. Mind you, he was a fucking politician. A corporal. He was no strategist. He sucked at that. Also mind, he was told from every corner he could do whatever he wanted to Russia, and he could have if it wasn't for the elements which he gambled on avoiding in a sudden invasion.

Strategically he was actually pretty good, the part he sucked at was operations.

If he had just laid out his strategic vision and then let the generals run it, they probably would have won.

The problem was him meddling at the operational level.

They used way too many resources on the Siege of Sevastopol. They should just have destroyed the airbase and then contained it instead of assaulting the place. Those resources should have been dedicated to the Caucasus assault. Hitler focused too much on the dots on the maps with names. Except Moscow. For some reason he gave that one a pass. The one that actually mattered. The ghost of Napoleon keeping him awake I guess.

[C-Mag]

Rambling thoughts...

Tyrants are known for killing their own people. Doesn't matter if it's National Socialists, Russian Commies, Chinese Commies or Ottomans.

Hitler, Stalin and Mao all had purged their countries on the rise to ultimate dictatorial power.
The difference between the 3 is that Hitler tried to make a case for why he was doing it. Stalin and Mao just killed people by the millions and kept it quiet.

The real injustice is that is that our cultural media forces have no time to honor the memories of all the victims of Communist Socialism.

[Speaker to Animals]

I wonder if you can be locked in a cage in Europe for questioning the communist body count figures..

[Montegriffo]

I wonder if you can be locked in a cage in Europe for questioning the communist body count figures..

No. Nor can you be charged with questioning the Nazi death camp numbers.
Only denying the holocaust is a crime and only in 16 countries.

[brewster]

Calling the Soviets anti-semitic is a new one on me.

You just put a sign on your forehead saying "I'm an ignorant, racist asshole". But we already knew that.

As I said in the last asinine thread you started on this, the Nazis, besides being mass murderers and warmongers who caused the deaths of tens of millions soldiers and innocent civilians, were bullies, thieves, slavers, and gangsters. They killed or intimidated anyone domestically that tried to stop them. Besides stealing the property of the Jews and resisters they killed, they systematically looted the countries they conquered, taking art on a grand scale. They enslaved millions of Christians as well as Jews in "work to death" camps throughout eastern Europe. Like all authoritarian regimes, they were an evil criminal organization whose sole goal was their own power, enrichment, and aggrandizement, simple as that. The fact that the Bolsheviks and ChiComs were even more murderous when it came to their own people is irrelevant. It does not move the "evil" bar.

[Smitty-48]

The fact that the Bolsheviks were even more murderous when it came to their own people is irrelevant. It does not move the "evil" bar.

Why not? The Soviets were the Allies. The Soviets won the war.

FDR called Koba "my dear Mister Stalin"

The moral castigation of the NSDAP while fighting alongside the Kremlin rings hollow.

Nobody fought the war for the Jews.

Can't have it both ways, where you are Stalin pointing fingers at Hitler.

The Allies mass murdered millions, there's no getting around it.

[brewster]

The fact that the Bolsheviks were even more murderous when it came to their own people is irrelevant. It does not move the "evil" bar.

Why not? The Soviets were the Allies. The Soviets won the war.

FDR called Koba "my dear Mister Stalin"

The moral castigation of the NSDAP while fighting alongside the Kremlin rings hollow.

Nobody fought the war for the Jews.

Can't have it both ways, where you are Stalin pointing fingers at Hitler.

The Allies mass murdered millions, there's no getting around it.

I fail to see the relevance. We've allied with evil regimes before and since. Remember: "He may be a bastard but he's our bastard"? It was so applicable to our allies there's no agreement on who it even referred to! Our alliance doesn't make them less evil, it arguably makes us more so.

As for "the Allies mass murdering millions", do you refer to strategic bombing? That certainly is a can of worms, but it's still way different than herding people by the millions, your own or captives, into camps to systematically murder them or work them to death.