Supply Chain Shortages and Inflation

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Re: Supply Chain Shortages and Inflation

Post by C-Mag » Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:50 am

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Globalism fits both Fascist & Socialist value systems: Fascists are comfortable with an aristocracy so anything that increases the wealth & influence of the private elites is acceptable to them, and Socialists like the consolidation of political power. Chances are, the very first person you talk to about MAGA is already from one of these 2 groups so it's hard to get converts.
Filthy Collectivists.

By understanding that its all Collectivism, and talking about it in that manner you can break down that immediate side taking. The problem is, the bulk of the population is pretty ignorant and happy with a duopoly view. Us vs them.
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Re: Supply Chain Shortages and Inflation

Post by The Conservative » Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:45 am

C-Mag wrote:
Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:45 am
The Conservative wrote:
Wed Dec 15, 2021 6:27 am
C-Mag wrote:
Tue Dec 14, 2021 8:26 pm
Globalization is dead.
We are entering the lag period between having all our manufacturing done in 3rd world shitholes, and manufacturing coming back to North America. It's going to be painful in that transition. We have to build back all the manufacturing infrastructure we've destroyed in the last 30 years, and they people steering the ship are greedy morons.

Everyone, for their own good, needs to search out the most local producers of basic needs asap.
I hope this is true, I've been wanting the US to produce their own stuff since the start of outsourcing started to get a foothold into the US mindset.

Honestly, it be nice to keep China and other countries from stealing our technology... especially when we practically hand wrap it to them by giving them the tooling and technology to build stuff.

It would be nice to see the US have a true "blue-collar" again.
I'm pretty sure a big component of all the build back better shit is globohomos attempting to engineer all this so that they are still in control and control of the vast majority of profit to be made. I hear you about technology and innovation security, but a good portion of our leaders are sold out to China. We have Chinese spies openly on the inside with Congress and nothing happens. Shit pisses me off.

I believe there will be a small blue collar population again, but most of the work is going to be done with robots. I have a son in law who runs a fabrication business. He builds specialized roll cages and bumpers for race cars. Tons of pipe bending to fit all different types of cars. 95% of that work is done by a programmed robotic bender. He still has 4-6 people hired to dress parts and prep for welding, but 30 years ago he would have needed a staff of 20-30, including draftsmen and engineers to do what he is doing right now. The cars are scanned, he designs all the parts in Cad, then the parts are sent to his robot machine, they are manufactured, then he just puts them together and welds.

It's really amazing how much work a few guys can do with these tools.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I expect that machines will take over some of the production line, but there are things that robots can't do... not that there won't be a time when it's no longer true, but for now HVAC/Plumbers/Electricians, Mechanics, the majority of things that require knowledge, experience, etc... most cases a robot won't be able to do for now. Farming, we can give some to the robots, but not a lot of yet when you deal with hectares of land.

And even if son-in-law does what he does, the final steps still need humans for some components... it would be too costly to put a robot in there for all aspects, either by land requirements, technology, or extending the assembly line... which all costs money in the long run. To get the return, especially with all new tech out there is becoming harder and harder to do.
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Re: Supply Chain Shortages and Inflation

Post by TheOneX » Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:35 am

Most farming and manufacturing tasks can be completed with robotics today. The limiting factor in most cases is upfront cost of equipment. For staple crops, there is very little left of the most time consuming tasks that cannot be automated with robotics and AI, but if the costs are too high many are going to pass. Farmers are already transitioning, but it is slow at this point. I would expect this to pick up quickly in the next 5 to 10 years. I expect tractors and combines to be the first vehicles to be primarily self-driven. Luxury crops are more complicated, but I don't think they will be far behind.

Robotics are still not great at more complicated tasks, especially in an uncontrolled environment, so service jobs like HVAC, plumbers, and electricians should still be safe for a while.

With all these workage shortages lately, and the constant push for $15 minimum wage, I would not be surprised if fast food companies are putting much more investment into automating the creation of their food. So I could see that being a sector that becomes very automated in a few years.

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Re: Supply Chain Shortages and Inflation

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TheOneX wrote:
Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:35 am
Most farming and manufacturing tasks can be completed with robotics today. The limiting factor in most cases is upfront cost of equipment. For staple crops, there is very little left of the most time consuming tasks that cannot be automated with robotics and AI, but if the costs are too high many are going to pass. Farmers are already transitioning, but it is slow at this point. I would expect this to pick up quickly in the next 5 to 10 years. I expect tractors and combines to be the first vehicles to be primarily self-driven. Luxury crops are more complicated, but I don't think they will be far behind.

Robotics are still not great at more complicated tasks, especially in an uncontrolled environment, so service jobs like HVAC, plumbers, and electricians should still be safe for a while.

With all these workage shortages lately, and the constant push for $15 minimum wage, I would not be surprised if fast food companies are putting much more investment into automating the creation of their food. So I could see that being a sector that becomes very automated in a few years.
I've posted here a few times about robotics taking over fast food joints at 1/5th the cost... for me, I am more worried about true blue-collar employment. Not everyone is meant to go to college.
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Re: Supply Chain Shortages and Inflation

Post by C-Mag » Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:51 am

TheOneX wrote:
Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:35 am
Most farming and manufacturing tasks can be completed with robotics today. The limiting factor in most cases is upfront cost of equipment. For staple crops, there is very little left of the most time consuming tasks that cannot be automated with robotics and AI, but if the costs are too high many are going to pass. Farmers are already transitioning, but it is slow at this point. I would expect this to pick up quickly in the next 5 to 10 years. I expect tractors and combines to be the first vehicles to be primarily self-driven. Luxury crops are more complicated, but I don't think they will be far behind.

Robotics are still not great at more complicated tasks, especially in an uncontrolled environment, so service jobs like HVAC, plumbers, and electricians should still be safe for a while.

With all these workage shortages lately, and the constant push for $15 minimum wage, I would not be surprised if fast food companies are putting much more investment into automating the creation of their food. So I could see that being a sector that becomes very automated in a few years.
Good Post

It's amazing to see how farming and ranching has changed from when I was a kid. There are so many tasks that are now mechanized and just don't require people to do, and so many labor and effort saving devices. Combines still have a human driver, but on the newest models the machine makes all the adjustments and essentially takes all the skill out of the work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkQ_3CY7sXA I've ran combines over the years and it takes a lot of discipline and skill to watch everything and make all the adjustments. Soon anyone will be able to sit on one. Then no one will sit on them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTxzUUP7mtk

I was working in California about 3 years ago and there was some agricultural bill in the state that was getting a lot of attention. It had to do with the large produce farms of the central valley. As I took it technology had gotten to a point where robots could do the delicate work of picking things like strawberries. Well, the politicians saw this as a threat to their illegal immigrant labor scam, so they put in a law that prohibited robotics from doing that work. Reminds me of how slavery can prevent technology from advancing.
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Re: Supply Chain Shortages and Inflation

Post by C-Mag » Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:53 am

The Conservative wrote:
Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:45 am

And even if son-in-law does what he does, the final steps still need humans for some components... it would be too costly to put a robot in there for all aspects, either by land requirements, technology, or extending the assembly line... which all costs money in the long run. To get the return, especially with all new tech out there is becoming harder and harder to do.
Certainly. This is why he employs a half dozen young men.
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Re: Supply Chain Shortages and Inflation

Post by SilverEagle » Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:39 am

Guys I think it’s time to buy silver. I just bought 40 more oz earlier this week. I just about ready to by 40 more. It’s sitting at 22.58 an oz right now. If you buy APMEX 1oz rounds you’ll pay around $26.60, depending on how much you buy. Real inflation is around 20% and it’s going to get worse next year.
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Re: Supply Chain Shortages and Inflation

Post by TheOneX » Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:43 am

The Conservative wrote:
Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:45 am
TheOneX wrote:
Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:35 am
Most farming and manufacturing tasks can be completed with robotics today. The limiting factor in most cases is upfront cost of equipment. For staple crops, there is very little left of the most time consuming tasks that cannot be automated with robotics and AI, but if the costs are too high many are going to pass. Farmers are already transitioning, but it is slow at this point. I would expect this to pick up quickly in the next 5 to 10 years. I expect tractors and combines to be the first vehicles to be primarily self-driven. Luxury crops are more complicated, but I don't think they will be far behind.

Robotics are still not great at more complicated tasks, especially in an uncontrolled environment, so service jobs like HVAC, plumbers, and electricians should still be safe for a while.

With all these workage shortages lately, and the constant push for $15 minimum wage, I would not be surprised if fast food companies are putting much more investment into automating the creation of their food. So I could see that being a sector that becomes very automated in a few years.
I've posted here a few times about robotics taking over fast food joints at 1/5th the cost... for me, I am more worried about true blue-collar employment. Not everyone is meant to go to college.
I agree, especially if we actually start to bring back jobs, there likely won't be enough people for those low end fast food jobs.

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Re: Supply Chain Shortages and Inflation

Post by C-Mag » Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:44 am

SilverEagle wrote:
Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:39 am
Guys I think it’s time to buy silver. I just bought 40 more oz earlier this week. I just about ready to by 40 more. It’s sitting at 22.58 an oz right now. If you buy APMEX 1oz rounds you’ll pay around $26.60, depending on how much you buy. Real inflation is around 20% and it’s going to get worse next year.
I think you're right. If you are going buy, do it quick. Economy's are starting to crash.

Afghanistan, Lebanon and Turkey. Lebanon's dollar has lost 90% of it's value in the last year, Turkey is seeing 50% inflation and has bread lines.
Famine and conflict will be hitting those areas. Hungry people don't give a fuck. One thing about famine in history, it's because someone, some leaders somewhere, are either making it happen or fine with it happening.

Here's a good run down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAw9maJ3kow
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Re: Supply Chain Shortages and Inflation

Post by Martin Hash » Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:51 am

SilverEagle wrote:
Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:39 am
Guys I think it’s time to buy silver. I just bought 40 more oz earlier this week. I just about ready to by 40 more. It’s sitting at 22.58 an oz right now. If you buy APMEX 1oz rounds you’ll pay around $26.60, depending on how much you buy. Real inflation is around 20% and it’s going to get worse next year.
Taking note. Thx
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