Poking the Bear Again

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Post by Smitty-48 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:42 am

this is where Political Potential ( Pol Pot ) and the Khmer Rouge came from

that was a proxy war between the Chinese & Soviets

Nixon flipped the Chinese, the Chinese stopped supporting the North Vietnamese

the North Vietnamese then flipped back to the Soviets

the Chinese then adopted the Khmer Rouge as their new proxies

the Soviets then backed a North Vietnamese invasion of Chinese backed Cambodia

the Khmer Rouge then did to the North Vietnamese what the North Vietnamese had done to the Americans

beat them at their own game with guerilla warfare, Cambodia became North Vietnam's quagmire
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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Montegriffo » Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:46 am

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back in 1983 that was the case perhaps

Yes, it was nicknamed the Landlords Bomb back then.
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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Smitty-48 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:51 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:46 am
Smitty-48 wrote:
Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:44 am
back in 1983 that was the case perhaps
Yes, it was nicknamed the Landlords Bomb back then.
Efficiency and progress is ours once more
Now that we have the neutron bomb
It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done
Away with excess enemy
But no less value to property
No sense in war but perfect sense at home
because at the time the Global Warming mob was the Anti-Nuclear Movement

so anything nuclear was bad

thing was tho, if the Soviets were going to deploy INF's in Europe, then MAD wasn't working after all

if MAD wasn't working, then there was going to be a theater thermonuclear war in Europe

so what to do then ?

if it's going to happen, how do you prevent Europe from becoming an irradiated wasteland ?

well you're going to have to get rid of radioactive fallout

so then the scientists said, actually, that's not as hard as you think

all the fallout comes from burning the uranium-235 liner around the plutonium pit

if you take that liner out, the bomb is smaller, but there is no radioactive fallout

with no radioactive fallout, it wasn't the doomsday war anymore, you could actually rebuild after
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Post by Smitty-48 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:08 am

now, the design of the W76-2 is of course highly classified

but what they have done is taken a 100 kiloton bomb and downgraded it to 2-5 kilotons

when you understand how hydrogen bombs work, that it is a multistage bomb

you can extrapolate that they would downgrade that by removing stages

like the tritium booster, or reducing the mass of the uranium liner

thus, conceptually, they are moving towards the Neutron bomb inherently, they are heading in that direction
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Post by Smitty-48 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:21 am

take for example the B61 tactical free falling thermonuclear bomb, perhaps carried by F-35's

Fully Fused Option ( FUFO ) otherwise known as Dial-a-Yield

the bomb can be set by a dial, from as low a yield as 1 kiloton, all the way up to maximum 340 kilotons

how does that work ?

the stages of the bomb are moveable internal to the bomb,

the dial moves the components around inside the bomb, changing the yield by adding or subtracting them

when you dial it down, it removes stages mechanically, slides them away from the plutonium pit

when you dial it up, it adds stages, slides them back towards the plutonium pit

when you dial it all the way down, just the plutonium pit fuses

when you dial it all the way up, the plutonium pit fuses the other stages

plutonium pit + lithium deuteride capsule

or plutonium pit + lithium deuteride capsule + tritium booster

so it's not digital, it's analogue 1960's tech, the FUFO is mechanical stage manipulation

so B61 is an all purpose tactical nuclear weapon

you can set it to be just an atomic bomb, or you can set it to be a hydrogen bomb, simply by turning the dial

nuclear bombs come in different flavors, based on how many stages you add

there is pure fission "Little Boy" bomb, the uranium-235 shotgun

there is the plutonium fusion to uranium fission "Fat Man" bomb

there is the plutonium fusion to uranium fission to hydrogen fusion "Castle Bravo" H-bomb

then there is the plutonium fusion to hydrogen fusion only, no fission ERW "Neutron Bomb"
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Post by Smitty-48 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:57 am

this is why the NATO allies want F-35

because they can deliver the American B61 from the NATO stockpiles

Dan Carlin said that America should give Eastern European countries their own nukes, remember that ?

that is already the case

if Poland buys F-35 that gives them a de facto Stealth Bomber against the Russians

and they are so close, they can use it in either role

they could use it in the tactical role, dial it all the way down, drop it on Russian tanks

or they could use it in the strategic role, dial it all the way up to 340 kts and drop it on Petrograd

F-35 + B61 gives the NATO allies an asymmetrical answer to Putin threatening them, they have a trump card
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Post by Smitty-48 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:16 pm

this is what I was trying to explain to Carlin in Poking the Bear

what he wanted was already the case

what he was asking for had been the case long time ago

but what he was asking for was a theater thermonuclear war in Europe

handing nukes to the Eastern Europeans is an inherent admission that MAD doesn't work

handing nukes over to the theater level is an inherent counterforce option

all I was saying to Carlin was, careful what you wish for,

because we are already there and it is escalating from here

handing the nukes over to theater level is what caused the Cuban Missile Crisis

America put INFs in Turkey, the Soviets responded by putting INF's in Cuba
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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:06 am

three Russian ballistic missile submarines broke through the polar ice cap yesterday

two Delta IV Delphins and a Borei

three at once, that's the first time we've ever seen Ivan do that

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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:18 am

Smitty-48 wrote:
Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:06 am
three Russian ballistic missile submarines broke through the polar ice cap yesterday

two Delta IV Delphins and a Borei

three at once, that's the first time we've ever seen Ivan do that

The point being to remind the public of MAD? That’s an odd message, unless we’re supposed to start treating them like the Norks.

Or is this genuine teeth bared over Ukraine?
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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:32 am

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:18 am
Smitty-48 wrote:
Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:06 am
three Russian ballistic missile submarines broke through the polar ice cap yesterday

two Delta IV Delphins and a Borei

three at once, that's the first time we've ever seen Ivan do that

The point being to remind the public of MAD? That’s an odd message, unless we’re supposed to start treating them like the Norks.

Or is this genuine teeth bared over Ukraine?
it's definitely saber rattling strategic warning

the message is that their nuclear submarines are fully tuned up & ready for war

it's genuine teeth far beyond the means of the NK's, this is the big leagues

three SSBN's with a combined 48 SLBM's, upwards of 400 warheads

it's enough warheads to take out the Minuteman III's on the Great Plains in a counterforce

bear in mind they will approach by stealth through Canadian waters to point blank range under the ice

it's blatantly targeted at the CONUS, it's not a survivable second strike profile, it is a first strike profile

that many warheads in snap shoot position under the ice really only serves one purpose, strategic counterforce

in terms of MAD, that's not really what those warheads are for, 200 kilotons is not a City Killer

so those are not aimed at New York City, those warheads are targeted at US military bases

I would say that the intent is to send the Democrats a message about Ukraine, yes
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