Poking the Bear Again

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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:49 pm

Probably had something to do with that ‘snap live fire drill’ the Russians pulled.
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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:51 pm

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:49 pm
Probably had something to do with that ‘snap live fire drill’ the Russians pulled.
I would say the larger issue is the Nord Stream 2 pipeline

the Russia Hawks are trying to get that deal broken up

the Germans are sticking to the deal tho, they want the cheap Russian gas

the sanctions are ineffective so long as Russia is making Arab Money off the Germans

follow the money

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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:00 pm

this is all part of the Kremlin strategy to drive a wedge into NATO

you've got NATO West vs NATO East, NATO West siding with Moscow

Turkey is the wild card, Erdogan has his own Hitlerian agenda seperate from Brussels or Warsaw
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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:04 pm

Putin also has the geopolitical objective of asserting Russian power for its own sake

if the Russians don't make their own moves, project their own power, they risk becoming a satellite of Beijing

Putin shores up his base and asserts Russian independence by engaging in conflict with China's clients in the West

the Neoliberal order is Globalization, the Russians resist by seeking to dominate their "Sphere of Influence"

so long as they are the dominant force in the theatre, so long as they dictate events, they have achieved their aim

Russia is manoeuvring against NATO & China at the same time

in this theatre they have the asymmetrical advantage, they can leverage the EU without China putting a stop to it
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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:26 pm

over in the China Seas there is a build up of a force against China called The Quad+6

The Quadrilateral Security Dialogue (QSD) is America, India, Japan & Australia

which is now being joined by the UK & France

then Vietnam, Indonesia, Singapore & Taiwan as the lesser allies

so the UK has sent it's aircraft carrier and France is sending its nuclear submarines to join the QSD
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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by The Conservative » Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:00 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:26 pm
over in the China Seas there is a build up of a force against China called The Quad+6

The Quadrilateral Security Dialogue (QSD) is America, India, Japan & Australia

which is now being joined by the UK & France

then Vietnam, Indonesia, Singapore & Taiwan as the lesser allies

so the UK has sent it's aircraft carrier and France is sending its nuclear submarines to join the QSD
Doesn't the UK only have one carrier?
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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:07 pm

The Conservative wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:00 pm
Smitty-48 wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:26 pm
over in the China Seas there is a build up of a force against China called The Quad+6

The Quadrilateral Security Dialogue (QSD) is America, India, Japan & Australia

which is now being joined by the UK & France

then Vietnam, Indonesia, Singapore & Taiwan as the lesser allies

so the UK has sent it's aircraft carrier and France is sending its nuclear submarines to join the QSD
Doesn't the UK only have one carrier?
the RN has both Queen Elizabeth Class carriers in service now

R08 HMS Queen Elizabeth & R09 HMS Prince of Wales

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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by The Conservative » Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:10 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:07 pm
The Conservative wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:00 pm
Smitty-48 wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:26 pm
over in the China Seas there is a build up of a force against China called The Quad+6

The Quadrilateral Security Dialogue (QSD) is America, India, Japan & Australia

which is now being joined by the UK & France

then Vietnam, Indonesia, Singapore & Taiwan as the lesser allies

so the UK has sent it's aircraft carrier and France is sending its nuclear submarines to join the QSD
Doesn't the UK only have one carrier?
the RN has both Queen Elizabeth Class carriers in service now

R08 HMS Queen Elizabeth & R09 HMS Prince of Wales

I wasn't sure, there was a time I thought they only had one. I know they have a few in reserve, but it's like the US, reserve quite a bit, but a fraction of total not so many.
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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:18 pm

The Conservative wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:10 pm
Smitty-48 wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:07 pm
The Conservative wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:00 pm


Doesn't the UK only have one carrier?
the RN has both Queen Elizabeth Class carriers in service now

R08 HMS Queen Elizabeth & R09 HMS Prince of Wales

I wasn't sure, there was a time I thought they only had one. I know they have a few in reserve, but it's like the US, reserve quite a bit, but a fraction of total not so many.
the 3 Invincible Class, R05 HMS Invincible, R06 HMS Illustrious & R07 HMS Ark Royal are decommissioned

the LPH L12 HMS Ocean was sold to Brazil, now commissioned as the A12 NAe São Paulo
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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:27 pm

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