What Role Should Cops Have In America?

[heydaralon]

In a parallel universe, you have the power to reshape America's laws and constitution.


What powers would you give to law enforcement? Would you have federal law enforcement? What would you do to prevent overreach if anything?

What powers would you take away from current law enforcement if anything?



I will say I am guilty of this in the past, but one thing that I dislike about many conservatives is their contradictory positions of disliking gov't, while having more or less blind trust of cops. They might not like the feds, but they will be more than happy with local cops. To me, this is weird. A lot of federal rulings are grotesque, but you might not personally be affected by them and won't notice a difference in day to day life. Whereas, you can drive home from work and get a ticket from some local cop who sits in the median for 8 hours fucking with taxpayers trying to go about their business. I have never had a good experience with the police. I have had been walking to the post office after work at 11:30pm, and had them stop me on the street and feel my genitals and look inside my mouth with a flashlight. They also lie with impunity and try to scare you and there no consequences for them doing so. To me they are just as bad as federal govt enforcers, but you have to see them every day.

[The Conservative]

That is the current police. When I was much younger local police we're just that local. Most cops today don't live in the areas they hang out in.

You don't have the cops that your parents know, that they grew up with, etc.

They patrol the main streets because they don't know or care to know about the back roads.

My family knew very cop in the town when I was growing up. We went to their parties and they ours. That was how our neighborhoods we're back then. Today we worry about every cop that is behind us because they don’t have that same connection to the area.

If that changed people would hold more respect of the police and the police would be more in touch with the region.

You want cops to change, then change where they are placed. Make cops local again.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Raise the pay and the standards. Quiz them on the constitution.

From a legal perspective, they should have no rights beyond ordinary citizens, except to make an arrest. They should have to defend every takedown in court.

[The Conservative]

Raise the pay and the standards. Quiz them on the constitution.

From a legal perspective, they should have no rights beyond ordinary citizens, except to make an arrest. They should have to defend every takedown in court.

Cops get paid more than enough. I know about a dozen that get paid six figures without OT.

[Haumana]

How about something along the lines that if one of them is involved in a killing then they are removed from the streets permanently? Studies have shown that officers involved in a shooting death greatly increases their odds to do it again.

Also, rolling shifts. They should experience the neighborhood they are patrolling at all times of day in order to get a better understanding of their beat and the people who live there.

[The Conservative]

How about something along the lines that if one of them is involved in a killing then they are removed from the streets permanently? Studies have shown that officers involved in a shooting death greatly increases their odds to do it again.

Also, rolling shifts. They should experience the neighborhood they are patrolling at all times of day in order to get a better understanding of their beat and the people who live there.

If the death was accidental, I may be willing to accept them getting a desk job, but if so I may also suggest that one year's worth of pension goes to the family of the slain as compensation At a minimum.

The only exception to this would be if the ”victim” killed was antagonizing the cops.

Darwinism doesn't deserve to be rewarded.

[The Conservative]

If the death was found to be criminal in intent or action (the officer faces either jail time or a firing) the pension would go to the family of the slain (as if it was a slain officer’s pension)

Again, if the officer was instigated into action the pension would not be rewarded, but neither would the officer keep his pension either.

And yes, there is a difference between accidental and on purpose. Sometimes the difference is between how many shots we're fired and the actions of the officer during the altercation.

[Ph64]

If the death was found to be criminal in intent or action (the officer faces either jail time or a firing) the pension would go to the family of the slain (as if it was a slain officer’s pension)

Again, if the officer was instigated into action the pension would not be rewarded, but neither would the officer keep his pension either.

And yes, there is a difference between accidental and on purpose. Sometimes the difference is between how many shots we're fired and the actions of the officer during the altercation.

So in other words you don't want cops to ever respond.
"911, my house is being robbed, they have guns"
"Ok, we'll send a patrol car to the donut shop."
"What? These burgulars might shoot me, might rape me!?!"
"Yes, but if we show up and shoot someone the cop might lose his pension... So the donut is the better option"

At the very least they'll take their sweet ass time and do nothing to help if it would require force.

[Haumana]

If the death was found to be criminal in intent or action (the officer faces either jail time or a firing) the pension would go to the family of the slain (as if it was a slain officer’s pension)

Again, if the officer was instigated into action the pension would not be rewarded, but neither would the officer keep his pension either.

And yes, there is a difference between accidental and on purpose. Sometimes the difference is between how many shots we're fired and the actions of the officer during the altercation.

So in other words you don't want cops to ever respond.
"911, my house is being robbed, they have guns"
"Ok, we'll send a patrol car to the donut shop."
"What? These burgulars might shoot me, might rape me!?!"
"Yes, but if we show up and shoot someone the cop might lose his pension... So the donut is the better option"

At the very least they'll take their sweet ass time and do nothing to help if it would require force.

2nd Amendment. Live it!

[The Conservative]

If the death was found to be criminal in intent or action (the officer faces either jail time or a firing) the pension would go to the family of the slain (as if it was a slain officer’s pension)

Again, if the officer was instigated into action the pension would not be rewarded, but neither would the officer keep his pension either.

And yes, there is a difference between accidental and on purpose. Sometimes the difference is between how many shots we're fired and the actions of the officer during the altercation.

So in other words you don't want cops to ever respond.
"911, my house is being robbed, they have guns"
"Ok, we'll send a patrol car to the donut shop."s
"What? These burgulars might shoot me, might rape me!?!"
"Yes, but if we show up and shoot someone the cop might lose his pension... So the donut is the better option"

At the very least they'll take their sweet ass time and do nothing to help if it would require force.

The cops are deterrent, it is up to you to defend yourself. If you wait for cops to show up to protect you, you may as well be carried by six instead of tried by 13.

Cops have to give notice before doing anything, they can't just yell "Police! Put down your weapons *shoots guy in chest* and put your hands up, and come out peacefully.

The only exception of that rule is if the person they are saying it to, or any others turn around or does an action that is perceived, or is violent. (which is the purpose of body cams now to verify the actions are just)

If a person gets on the ground without protest, you treat them accordingly.

If a person resists there are steps you take to make sure that you and the person have a chance to get out of it alive.

If a person pulls a gun out on a cop, they are trained to not stop shooting until the gun is empty, but only under specific circumstances)

If a person throws things at a cop, they are trained to deal with it, if it's violent in nature (as in an explosive of some sort of weapon that is not volatile when inert) they are trained to deal with that and the culprit in turn.

Also, cops at a donut shop would be closer to your house than a police station in most cases... the old joke of how if you need help you'd call the local donut store instead of the police station or 911 was more true than not when I was a kid.

There was always a police officer at the local Dunks', and we knew if shit went down he'd be the first on the scene if it was local. He'd also know the regulars there, and they'd know him, he was part of the "family". Today... that doesn't exist in most of America.