FUCK THE PRC

[Montegriffo]

The cure is worse than the disease, in many cases. Not in South Korea's case, but instead of following their lead, some morons only want to follow the lead of the nations who handled it the worst, didn't cure the disease, and piled on economic damage on top of it.

Still waiting for you to tell us how to follow their lead without the testing capacity required.

There are other things they did that were effective, follow that, until you get the testing capacity, don't follow the shittiest models because you lack the imagination to learn anything from an example where the economy wasn't destroyed via counter-productive central planning.

Yes, they did all the things you are complaining about.
Social distancing, closing down bars, banning mass meetings such as sporting events etc.
They haven't done anything differently they've just done it quicker and better.
More masks, more test kits, more lab' capacity, quicker travel restrictions.

I get it, you're on your anti-central planning, anti-experts, anti-government interference hobby horse but you are going to need more than ''but South Korea'' if you are going to convince anyone that shutting down nonessential jobs and staying at home is a mistake.
It's no good whining shoulda, woulda, coulda, about things we weren't equipped to do when they needed doing.
There'll be plenty of time for the survivors to do that later and then you can moan about central planners wasting money stockpiling PPE and ventilators because the flu kills more people and all that really matters is money.

[StCapps]

Still waiting for you to tell us how to follow their lead without the testing capacity required.

There are other things they did that were effective, follow that, until you get the testing capacity, don't follow the shittiest models because you lack the imagination to learn anything from an example where the economy wasn't destroyed via counter-productive central planning.

Yes, they did all the things you are complaining about.
Social distancing, closing down bars, banning mass meetings such as sporting events etc.

They didn't destroy their economy to anywhere near the same degree though, that is the way to go. They overreacted, but they overreacted the least, and that was the secret to their success, not giving into SIFCLF panic monkeys.

All the countries who are handling this the best "took more proper precautions early, overreacted the least and did the least economic damage to themselves" while all the countries handling this the worst "took less proper precautions early, overreacted the most and did the most economic damage to themselves", that is not just a mere coincidence. The model to emulate is the former, not the latter.

[Speaker to Animals]

China is a shit show and is going to do what China does unless we exterminate them (Which is not going to happen, so fucking give it a rest already).

Most of the deaths in America would have been preventable had we locked down the borders and travel early on when it was obvious how dangerous this bug was. The government and media are using China as an excuse to redirect anger away from them towards something no Americans can do anything about.

The trouble with that is that just about everyone was freaking out about people being welded into their apartments by the totalitarian regime in China.
There was no way that people would have accepted that level of government interference back in January with very few cases outside of China at the time.
Some people still aren't accepting it now even with people they actually know dying of this disease.

It's an ongoing situation, the information is changing all the time. Some leaders have been quicker than others to recognise the seriousness of this pandemic. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but there's not much point in pondering how much better off we'd be now if we'd done something back in early January if it was impossible to have done it then.

Good point, but neither will you get any argument from me that democracy leads to bad outcomes like this. The second part about leaders not knowing what would happen.. that's really untrue. They had good intelligence about what was going down.

Regardless of what they could or could not have done, I think we should agree that they should NOT have fucking lied over and over again. Watch that video with Eric Weinstein. These people need to be removed from power. Not just Trump. The entire thing failed. The mayors who sent quack doctors out as medical experts encouraging urbanites to party and ride the subways should be removed from power. The people in the FDA who deliberately scuttled testing so that we couldn't do any real contact tracing early on should be removed. This isn't just a few figureheads who need replacing. The whole fucking thing failed badly and it lied so egregiously that our sacred duty right now is to replace it.

[Montegriffo]

China is a shit show and is going to do what China does unless we exterminate them (Which is not going to happen, so fucking give it a rest already).

Most of the deaths in America would have been preventable had we locked down the borders and travel early on when it was obvious how dangerous this bug was. The government and media are using China as an excuse to redirect anger away from them towards something no Americans can do anything about.

The trouble with that is that just about everyone was freaking out about people being welded into their apartments by the totalitarian regime in China.
There was no way that people would have accepted that level of government interference back in January with very few cases outside of China at the time.
Some people still aren't accepting it now even with people they actually know dying of this disease.

It's an ongoing situation, the information is changing all the time. Some leaders have been quicker than others to recognise the seriousness of this pandemic. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but there's not much point in pondering how much better off we'd be now if we'd done something back in early January if it was impossible to have done it then.

Good point, but neither will you get any argument from me that democracy leads to bad outcomes like this. The second part about leaders not knowing what would happen.. that's really untrue. They had good intelligence about what was going down.

Regardless of what they could or could not have done, I think we should agree that they should NOT have fucking lied over and over again. Watch that video with Eric Weinstein. These people need to be removed from power. Not just Trump. The entire thing failed. The mayors who sent quack doctors out as medical experts encouraging urbanites to party and ride the subways should be removed from power. The people in the FDA who deliberately scuttled testing so that we couldn't do any real contact tracing early on should be removed. This isn't just a few figureheads who need replacing. The whole fucking thing failed badly and it lied so egregiously that our sacred duty right now is to replace it.

I did watch it. Good interview.
We haven't had quite the same disinformation about PPE as you seem to have.
I think they were a bit more upfront about saying there's a shortage and those on the frontline need it first.
We even had ministers pleading with the public to send masks to the hospitals if they had any at work or at home.
The main message here has been about protecting the NHS because they know it has been short of investment and staff for years.

[Zlaxer]

The trouble with that is that just about everyone was freaking out about people being welded into their apartments by the totalitarian regime in China.
There was no way that people would have accepted that level of government interference back in January with very few cases outside of China at the time.
Some people still aren't accepting it now even with people they actually know dying of this disease.

It's an ongoing situation, the information is changing all the time. Some leaders have been quicker than others to recognise the seriousness of this pandemic. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but there's not much point in pondering how much better off we'd be now if we'd done something back in early January if it was impossible to have done it then.

Good point, but neither will you get any argument from me that democracy leads to bad outcomes like this. The second part about leaders not knowing what would happen.. that's really untrue. They had good intelligence about what was going down.

Regardless of what they could or could not have done, I think we should agree that they should NOT have fucking lied over and over again. Watch that video with Eric Weinstein. These people need to be removed from power. Not just Trump. The entire thing failed. The mayors who sent quack doctors out as medical experts encouraging urbanites to party and ride the subways should be removed from power. The people in the FDA who deliberately scuttled testing so that we couldn't do any real contact tracing early on should be removed. This isn't just a few figureheads who need replacing. The whole fucking thing failed badly and it lied so egregiously that our sacred duty right now is to replace it.

I did watch it. Good interview.
We haven't had quite the same disinformation about PPE as you seem to have.
I think they were a bit more upfront about saying there's a shortage and those on the frontline need it first.
We even had ministers pleading with the public to send masks to the hospitals if they had any at work or at home.
The main message here has been about protecting the NHS because they know it has been short of investment and staff for years.

Burn PRC notes and reissue bonds to generate $$$....tell the commies they are more than welcome to try and collect.

[Zlaxer]

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/04/ ... ple-alive/

Locals in Wuhan, where the Chinese coronavirus pandemic originated, have heard screams coming from funeral home furnaces, and some treated in hospitals say they saw workers put living coronavirus patients in body bags, Radio Free Asia (RFA) reported on Monday.

RFA noted that it could not independently verify that the Chinese Communist Party was burning coronavirus patients alive, nor has the Communist Party confirmed or denied the rumors.

[Ph64]

There are other things they did that were effective, follow that, until you get the testing capacity, don't follow the shittiest models because you lack the imagination to learn anything from an example where the economy wasn't destroyed via counter-productive central planning.

Yes, they did all the things you are complaining about.
Social distancing, closing down bars, banning mass meetings such as sporting events etc.

They didn't destroy their economy to anywhere near the same degree though, that is the way to go. They overreacted, but they overreacted the least, and that was the secret to their success, not giving into SIFCLF panic monkeys.

All the countries who are handling this the best "took more proper precautions early, overreacted the least and did the least economic damage to themselves" while all the countries handling this the worst "took less proper precautions early, overreacted the most and did the most economic damage to themselves", that is not just a mere coincidence. The model to emulate is the former, not the latter.

Actually I'd argue they overreacted the *most*, they had experience after SARS, H1N1, etc. They didn't listen to China or the CHO(WHO), they immediately all started wearing masks, they closed off travel from China, started testing ASAP, and actively quarantined people.

They didn't panic and shut down all businesses *because* they overreacted immediately in other meaningful ways that are actually effective, rather than delaying doing anything until it spread everywhere and cases started skyrocketing.

[StCapps]

Yes, they did all the things you are complaining about.
Social distancing, closing down bars, banning mass meetings such as sporting events etc.

They didn't destroy their economy to anywhere near the same degree though, that is the way to go. They overreacted, but they overreacted the least, and that was the secret to their success, not giving into SIFCLF panic monkeys.

All the countries who are handling this the best "took more proper precautions early, overreacted the least and did the least economic damage to themselves" while all the countries handling this the worst "took less proper precautions early, overreacted the most and did the most economic damage to themselves", that is not just a mere coincidence. The model to emulate is the former, not the latter.

Actually I'd argue they overreacted the *most*, they had experience after SARS, H1N1, etc. They didn't listen to China or the CHO(WHO), they immediately all started wearing masks, they closed off travel from China, started testing ASAP, and actively quarantined people.

They didn't panic and shut down all businesses *because* they overreacted immediately in other meaningful ways that are actually effective, rather than delaying doing anything until it spread everywhere and cases started skyrocketing.

No they took proper precautions the earliest and overreacted the least. Conflating taking proper precautions with destroying the economy is the issue many of you seem to have, and it's leading you to support idiotic policies.

[Speaker to Animals]

ThunderFoot on why "let's blame China for all these fatalities" is 1000% fake and gay.

[Montegriffo]

ThunderFoot on why "let's blame China for all these fatalities" is 1000% fake and gay.

Scapegoats are handy though. See Trump and the WHO for an example.
Much easier to blame someone else than to accept responsibility for your own mistakes.