Civil War Doomsday Clock

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Re: Civil War Doomsday Clock

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Re: Civil War Doomsday Clock

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Remember the stories back-in-the-day? In some communities, every police officer, every fireman was sent to Iraq.
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Re: Civil War Doomsday Clock

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:48 pm

Martin Hash wrote:
Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:01 pm
Remember the stories back-in-the-day? In some communities, every police officer, every fireman was sent to Iraq.
Like I said, they can be sent in foreign actions, and only thanks to the 2002 AUMF. Under normal law, the feds have no authority to use them.
SJWs are a natural consequence of corporatism.

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Re: Civil War Doomsday Clock

Post by Martin Hash » Sat Jun 26, 2021 1:08 pm

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:48 pm
Martin Hash wrote:
Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:01 pm
Remember the stories back-in-the-day? In some communities, every police officer, every fireman was sent to Iraq.
Like I said, they can be sent in foreign actions, and only thanks to the 2002 AUMF. Under normal law, the feds have no authority to use them.
Kennedy used the NG to integrate schools.
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Re: Civil War Doomsday Clock

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Sat Jun 26, 2021 1:16 pm

Martin Hash wrote:
Sat Jun 26, 2021 1:08 pm
SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:48 pm
Martin Hash wrote:
Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:01 pm
Remember the stories back-in-the-day? In some communities, every police officer, every fireman was sent to Iraq.
Like I said, they can be sent in foreign actions, and only thanks to the 2002 AUMF. Under normal law, the feds have no authority to use them.
Kennedy used the NG to integrate schools.
Eisenhower, but yes, you're correct. It does appear to require only an Executive Order...
On Monday, September 23, 1957, President Dwight D. Eisenhower issued proclamation 3204[8] demanding anyone involved with the obstruction of justice to disperse. When his order was not followed, Eisenhower federalized the entire Arkansas National Guard the following day[9] and unit members began assembling at home stations throughout the night. By order of the President, the National Guard was thus directed to support the integration rather than block it as the units had been before.[10] On the 24th, elements of the 101st Airborne Division began arriving at Little Rock to provide additional support and took up positions around Central High. That same day, Adjutant General Clinger met with the commander of the Arkansas Military District and was ordered to assemble a force at Camp Robinson for duty at Central High.
As currently worded, the Insurrection Act allows the president to call up the active military or federalize the National Guard under three circumstances:

At the request of a state. That's how it was most recently used, when Pete Wilson, then the governor of California, asked for federal help in 1992 to control violent protests after police officers were acquitted in the attack on Rodney King.
To enforce federal law. In 1987, President Ronald Reagan ordered the Defense Department to provide military units to help suppress violence at a federal prison in Atlanta. The disturbance was over before the troops arrived.
To protect civil rights. This provision authorizes the president to use the military to suppress "any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy" if local law enforcement is unable to provide sufficient protection. It doesn't require the request — or even the permission — of the state. President Dwight D. Eisenhower used the power to send elements of the 101st Airborne Division to Little Rock, Arkansas, and to federalize the entire state National Guard to enforce court-ordered school desegregation. Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson invoked the same authority to enforce other desegregation orders in Mississippi and Alabama.

After Hurricane Katrina in 2005, Congress changed the law, allowing the president to use the provision in cases of domestic violence when public order is disrupted by natural disaster, epidemic or terrorist attack without a request from a state's governor. But Congress revoked that specific authority a year later in the face of widespread opposition from the states.

Apparently, they can do it if the justification is "protecting civil rights" or "terrorisum".

I'd imagine that has a lot to do with why they're desperately clinging to the narrative of January 6th as muh terrorists.

However, that was in fact done by the governor:
Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan is still puzzled about why the authorization of the National Guard was delayed to help protect the U.S. Capitol during last week's deadly riot.

The Republican governor said it took two hours for him to finally receive authorization from a defense official to send help after the D.C. mayor's office and Maryland Rep. Steny Hoyer called him for assistance.

"Within minutes of this attack, I called a security team together, called to send in several hundred Maryland, specially trained, Maryland State Police and a rapid response team," Hogan said in an interview on CNN's State of the Union. "And I called up members of the National Guard."
If the governor had not offered, it's unknown whether the feds could have called them in.
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Re: Civil War Doomsday Clock

Post by C-Mag » Sun Jun 27, 2021 7:30 am

Martin Hash wrote:
Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:01 pm
Remember the stories back-in-the-day? In some communities, every police officer, every fireman was sent to Iraq.
Every NG and Reserve Soldier can expect to be deployed once every 4 years. That's policy and part of the planning.

Year
1. Recover/Individual Training
2. Team Training
3. Prep for Deployment/Certification- Which includes more active duty time
4. Deploy

The only focus of the NG and Reserve for the last 20 years is support foreign wars. Anything done to support their home state has been ancillary. It's all driven by the Washington DC.

30 years ago, most of what we did was support the local communities. We built a bunch of little league baseball fields, we repaired local government offices, we performed wildlife refuge improvements, closed abandoned mines, preformed historic preservation projects, built parks and pavillions, built camps for girl scouts and boy scouts. We were in the communities, improving the local communities and had a strong rapport with the communities.

Starting in the 90's the amoeba called Big Army started getting involved and preventing us from doing community support projects. We couldn't understand why they were doing that back then. Now, it's all too clear, they were just further and further Federalizing us, the Federal Government demanded total control over what the Guard and Reserve were doing everyday.
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Re: Civil War Doomsday Clock

Post by C-Mag » Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:42 pm

Mises on standing Armies and Citizen Soldiers
https://mises.org/wire/19th-century-ame ... ort-troops
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Re: Civil War Doomsday Clock

Post by DBTrek » Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:38 am

C-Mag wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:42 pm
Mises on standing Armies and Citizen Soldiers
https://mises.org/wire/19th-century-ame ... ort-troops
Fair points. Especially when you see the number of career soldiers who "retire" at 38 and then get a government job so they can start building up their second retirement.
Ridiculous.
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Re: Civil War Doomsday Clock

Post by C-Mag » Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:44 am

DBTrek wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:38 am
C-Mag wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:42 pm
Mises on standing Armies and Citizen Soldiers
https://mises.org/wire/19th-century-ame ... ort-troops
Fair points. Especially when you see the number of career soldiers who "retire" at 38 and then get a government job so they can start building up their second retirement.
Ridiculous.
Right. Don't forget the full disability and all the perks that go with that.

Active Duty Soldiers have a vile hatred for Guard and Reserve too, and I mean Vile. I've done both jobs and being a Citizen Soldier is far harder than active duty. In a way, active duty is the easiest job in the world. They tell you when to wake up, when to shower, when to workout, when to eat. I used to joke that 'We waste more time before 9 AM, than most people waste all day'.

Deployments are another thing, while they are pretty cushy today by the standards of 20th C deployments and warfare, it's still a real job for many.
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Re: Civil War Doomsday Clock

Post by C-Mag » Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:30 am

The Domestic War on Right Wing Terrorism from the other side....
Counter-Terrorism Tactics Can’t Defeat the Insurgent Right
A counter-terrorism approach to right-wing political violence is bound to fail, not least because it empowers the institutions that can’t be trusted to wage that fight.

Equally important is the fact that this is an ideological battle that requires fighting out in the open – not with wire-taps, informants, and agent provocateurs.............

Ideological threats that emerge from within the system of government cannot be neutralized through law enforcement. Law enforcement is, at best, a secondary tool for monitoring the more violent fringes of politics. But obviously an insurgent movement that includes a former president and many members of his party is something much larger than a policing matter. Making counter-terrorism your main framework for dealing with this problem won’t work and will in fact cause immense collateral damage.

https://jeetheer.substack.com/p/counter ... ant-defeat
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