Free market impossible?

[The Conservative]

I've been talking to a ”Libertarian” which I honestly think these people are more socialists than libertarian. I digress, I've been told we in the US can't have a free market because of the government.

I say that with a government that has a limited footprint and allows the market to function as needed to survive, would be better for the economy overall.

[Speaker to Animals]

You cannot have a free market without government.

[The Conservative]

You cannot have a free market without government.

I didn't say without a government. I said limited government.

[Speaker to Animals]

You cannot have a free market without government.

I didn't say without a government. I said limited government.

Limited to/from what?

I would suggest to you that limited government and democracy of any form are not compatible. Limitations cannot survive it.

[The Conservative]

You cannot have a free market without government.

I didn't say without a government. I said limited government.

Limited to/from what?

I would suggest to you that limited government and democracy of any form are not compatible. Limitations cannot survive it.

Before Clinton, Bush and Obama, I say we had a limited government and a thriving economy.

[Speaker to Animals]

I didn't say without a government. I said limited government.

Limited to/from what?

I would suggest to you that limited government and democracy of any form are not compatible. Limitations cannot survive it.

Before Clinton, Bush and Obama, I say we had a limited government and a thriving economy.

Not really. The economy was far worse than now in the 1970s and early 1980s.

Nor did we have limited government by any stretch of the imagination, especially where it came to regulations.

My point here is that a free market is impossible in a democracy. Period. Democracy is war. Everything is part of it. Everything. You can't limit some things from the war that is democracy for long. We tried. It didn't work.

[Speaker to Animals]

How do you think regulations and market controls come about? When a plurality of voters decide something isn't going their way, they just vote it their way. You cannot have a free market under such circumstances. Eventually people are going to say fuck it it doesn't work we need to control it through the democratic process.

There could be good reasons for that too. To argue on the side of democracy for a minute, the fact that democracies tend towards market regulations should indicate to you that totally unrestrained markets are at least perceived by most people as not being beneficial to their nations. Everywhere.

The only way you can have a free market, in my opinion, is if the decision-making process is not popularized. That is, there exists some kind of ruling class that makes the decisions, and they are in favor of a free market over what most people perceive as their best interests. But what ruling class would do that?? None that I can think of, unless we are talking about a bizarro world where libertarians become a ruling class and impose an unrestrained market upon all of society whether they like it or not.

[The Conservative]

How do you think regulations and market controls come about? When a plurality of voters decide something isn't going their way, they just vote it their way. You cannot have a free market under such circumstances. Eventually people are going to say fuck it it doesn't work we need to control it through the democratic process.

There could be good reasons for that too. To argue on the side of democracy for a minute, the fact that democracies tend towards market regulations should indicate to you that totally unrestrained markets are at least perceived by most people as not being beneficial to their nations. Everywhere.

The only way you can have a free market, in my opinion, is if the decision-making process is not popularized. That is, there exists some kind of ruling class that makes the decisions, and they are in favor of a free market over what most people perceive as their best interests. But what ruling class would do that?? None that I can think of, unless we are talking about a bizarro world where libertarians become a ruling class and impose an unrestrained market upon all of society whether they like it or not.

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Limited Government

What part of that don't you seem to understand? Limited in size and power, in other words ½ the size it is now, and power limitations based off of constitutional law.

In English, Congress, POTUS and the Judicial all keep each other as constitutionally demanded of them.

The regulations would be there, but nothing beyond what is constitutionally allowed...

[Okeefenokee]

Most people don't vote for that.

You let most people vote, and you won't get that.

[Otern]

Depends on your definition of "free market". No regulations or government oversight could start out as free market, then devolve into plutocracy, as money and power concentrate within the largest conglomerates.

Maybe an open market is possible, where it's easy to trade, but still restricted by tariffs where they're necessary.

The extreme market liberalists and the communists are both wrong, for the same reasons, as they fail to take into consideration the Pareto-principle, humanity, and its consequences. The free market didn't help the Irish a lot during the potato famine, they still were a net exporter of food, while the population starved.

Free market is great for developing consumer products and consumerism, where the products aren't necessary for life and liberty, but it very often fails in food production, infrastructure and health.