SCOTUS to Decide Civil Forfeiture Under 8th Amendment; Timbs v. Indiana

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Re: SCOTUS to Decide Civil Forfeiture Under 8th Amendment; Timbs v. Indiana

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Re: SCOTUS to Decide Civil Forfeiture Under 8th Amendment; Timbs v. Indiana

Post by pineapplemike » Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:30 am

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Anyone who wants an example of why the U.S. system isn't functioning well:The Supreme Court just ruled UNANIMOUSLY that civil asset forfeiture as practiced is unconstitutional ...more than three decades after the law was changed to allow it. Justice delayed is justice denied.
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Topic for a common sense?

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Common sense episode coming soon to explain? Haha

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feel like this would make for a good episode of common sense 😏

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You should do a Common Sense episode about it..

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Re: SCOTUS to Decide Civil Forfeiture Under 8th Amendment; Timbs v. Indiana

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:35 am

I guess justice was delayed because we didn't vote hard enough.

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Re: SCOTUS to Decide Civil Forfeiture Under 8th Amendment; Timbs v. Indiana

Post by Fife » Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:39 am

Uh, is anyone surprised that Dan completely misunderstands what SCOTUS just did (and didn't do)?

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Re: SCOTUS to Decide Civil Forfeiture Under 8th Amendment; Timbs v. Indiana

Post by Martin Hash » Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:57 am

Dan’s point is why something so obviously unconstitutional took 30 years to get heard.
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Re: SCOTUS to Decide Civil Forfeiture Under 8th Amendment; Timbs v. Indiana

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:00 am

The constitutional remedy was in Congress. How'd that pan out?

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Re: SCOTUS to Decide Civil Forfeiture Under 8th Amendment; Timbs v. Indiana

Post by Fife » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:02 am

Martin Hash wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:57 am
Dan’s point is why something so obviously unconstitutional took 30 years to get heard.

Nothing was declared unconstitutional.

The 8th is incorporated under the 14th, by traditional substantive due process. That's it and the case is remanded to Indiana. That's the whole show, nothing else to see.

You read the opinion, right? Or some accurate summary?

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Re: SCOTUS to Decide Civil Forfeiture Under 8th Amendment; Timbs v. Indiana

Post by Martin Hash » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:06 am

That’s bad. Now we depend on Indiana to decide.
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Re: SCOTUS to Decide Civil Forfeiture Under 8th Amendment; Timbs v. Indiana

Post by Fife » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:10 am

It's bad, because it's just another Dred Scott / Slaughterhouse case.

There's a federal standard now about who is to make the call on these kinds of cases, as the 8th applies to the states, per the ruling. If you think that's an unqualified good thing, then OK. But we'll be waiting for another case on another day (maybe Timbs II) to get some federal black dress standard about what is and isn't federally constitutional regarding civil forfeiture.

Otherwise, it's just another nail in the coffin of what the 14th was actually about, privileges and immunities.

Brion McClanahan and StA are right-- this is an issue best left up to the people of each state to take care of (like marriage, abortion, &c.). But that ain't how the bosses roll in federal city. And Darkness and Decay and Mr. Lincoln held illimitable dominion over all.

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Re: SCOTUS to Decide Civil Forfeiture Under 8th Amendment; Timbs v. Indiana

Post by Martin Hash » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:53 am

Damn, that McClanahan show was tedious. Goddamn.

As far as I can tell from all that rambling, Indiana's State Constitution prohibits Civil Forfeiture, but the State Court incorrectly appealed to an 8th Amendment violation, and the only thing SCOTUS said was that it was a State issue, meaning Indiana's State Constitution should have been the determining law, not the 8th.
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