Getting Rich on Government-Backed Mortgages

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Getting Rich on Government-Backed Mortgages

Post by Fife » Sat May 26, 2018 11:09 am

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Bloomberg:

Getting Rich on Government-Backed Mortgages
A branch manager gets home loans for borrowers with weak credit or low incomes—and taxpayers back him up.


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Many of Christian’s customers have no savings, poor credit, or low income—sometimes all three. Some are like Joseph Taylor, a corrections officer who saw Christian’s roadside billboard touting zero-down mortgages. Taylor had recently filed for bankruptcy because of his $25,000 in credit card debt. But he just bought his first home for $120,000 with a zero-down loan from Christian’s company. Monthly debt payments now eat up half his take-home pay. “If he can help me, he can help anyone,” Taylor says. “My credit history was just horrible.”

Christian can do this kind of deal because he is, in effect, making the loan on behalf of the federal government through its most important affordable housing program. It’s a sweet deal: He gets his nearly risk-free commission. Taylor puts no money down. If things go south, the government ultimately bears the risk.

This kind of lending echoes the subprime mortgage boom that preceded the credit crisis of 2008. Then, as now, independent mortgage companies, the so-called nonbanks, dominated the business of making loans to people with blemished credit and low incomes. In the pre-crash years, companies such as New Century Financial Corp. helped spur the crisis with their shoddy underwriting standards. Using a line of credit from a major bank, they would offer mortgages essentially to anyone with a pulse. They would then quickly resell them into a market that repackaged them into high-risk securities that were destined for failure, infecting the financial system and requiring a government rescue.

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Re: Getting Rich on Government-Backed Mortgages

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat May 26, 2018 11:30 am

It's actually cheaper for people in that situation to get a mortgage for a small home or condo. Rent is really high these days.

Most of the people in my condos were renters who couldn't afford to rent anymore.

Say what you want about government-backed mortgages, but giving struggling people mortgages for affordable housing in this current rental market actually makes a lot of sense.

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Re: Getting Rich on Government-Backed Mortgages

Post by Fife » Sat May 26, 2018 11:37 am

"giving struggling people mortgages"

What could go wrong?


Seriously: what market solutions would arise if there were not state/bank crowding out occurring? That's right, we don't know. All we *do* know is what happened in 2008, and what we are heading towards again, this time on steroids.

The state maintains its grip on the grunts through the magic of the "unseen." "Hey, if not for us, how could you possibly make it? You should be on your knees thanking us."

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Re: Getting Rich on Government-Backed Mortgages

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat May 26, 2018 11:39 am

Fife wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 11:37 am
"giving struggling people mortgages"

What could go wrong?


No, please. Do tell.

What exactly could go wrong? If they don't make the payments, the bank just repossess the home and sells it to somebody else who will make the payments.

A lot of people can cut their housing costs in half simply by not renting and buying a small home. So if they are struggling now with rent such as it is, then would they not be in a better position if they get a mortgage on some small home somewhere?

The government-backed part of the mortgages I am perfectly willing to accept is a problem. But the tone of the article suggests that poor people shouldn't be given mortgages, when exactly the fucking opposite is the case.

As an example, where I live rent is ridiculous. When I first moved down here into an apartment, rent was about $940 per month. In three years it rose to almost $1300 per month for the same apartment, and I was actually forced to get a condo, where my monthly costs are about $800 per month (15 year term). That same apartment today is renting for over $1400 per month now. The last thing that struggling people need in my particular market is to rent.

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Re: Getting Rich on Government-Backed Mortgages

Post by Fife » Sat May 26, 2018 11:46 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 11:39 am
Fife wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 11:37 am
"giving struggling people mortgages"

What could go wrong?


No, please. Do tell.

What exactly could go wrong? If they don't make the payments, the bank just repossess the home and sells it to somebody else who will make the payments.

A lot of people can cut their housing costs in half simply by not renting and buying a small home. So if they are struggling now with rent such as it is, then would they not be in a better position if they get a mortgage on some small home somewhere?

The government-backed part of the mortgages I am perfectly willing to accept is a problem. But the tone of the article suggests that poor people shouldn't be given mortgages, when exactly the fucking opposite is the case.

I love mortgages. I'm as much of a George Bailey fan as there is on the globe, dude. Mortgages, leases, rent-to-own contracts -- there's no limit to how land owners can move utility out to people who need the use of land.

Do you need the state to make decisions about who should be getting lent money or set up with real property possession?

If the guns of the state were *not* pointed at the face of real property owners, what would those owners be doing? Letting their property lay fallow and wasted?

You know the answer.

By insisting upon central planning, you are propping up homelessness, misery, and the Maserati ownership of assholes like that little mangina depicted in my OP ITT.

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Re: Getting Rich on Government-Backed Mortgages

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat May 26, 2018 11:50 am

Even more..

Renting only really makes sense for urban professionals. For the poor, it is a terrible route.

Urban professionals are highly mobile. They go from job market to job market. High rent is not as much a problem for them, and renting means they don't have to focus on the ownership and maintenance part of housing. It's a good deal for them.

The poor are not mobile in this economy. Most of them are trapped for the most part, since moving anywhere is an incredible expense to them. What's more, all that rent money is a substantial portion of their income, making it difficult if not impossible for them to save money in order to buy a house in which to retire like professionals do. So they get old and now they are still renting, no equity, and that rent takes up most of their retirement income (which likely is only Social Security).

Getting poor people into homes is a sound policy goal. Using government-backed mortgages is ripe for fraud and abuse, of course. But the notion that getting struggling people out of the renting market is somehow a bad idea is just fucking dumb. It really is. People who talk or write like that really haven't a clue about what the poor actually have to face in life. It probably wasn't even worth publishing the article.

Just focus on the problem of government-backed mortgages, not whether poor people "deserve" to be anything but wage slaves.

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Re: Getting Rich on Government-Backed Mortgages

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat May 26, 2018 11:54 am

I mean.. libertarians love to talk about economic time bombs..

Here is one: that huge percentage of America that was tossed out of the middle class by your globalist policies are trapped in the renting market. When they grow old, their social security check isn't going to cover their expenses. The welfare state is a direct consequence of your job-offshoring, open borders, fuck everybody else I got mine politics. But you will have to pay one way or another down the line.

Getting these people into small, affordable homes they can reasonably pay off before they retire is a solid goal. We can and should debate how best to do that, and just saying "the market will solve it" is as asinine as saying the "let the state take care of it".

So how do we get people the fuck out of renting? Renting for anybody lower than middle middle class is a really fucking bad trend. Let's acknowledge that and figure out how to fix it.

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Re: Getting Rich on Government-Backed Mortgages

Post by Fife » Sat May 26, 2018 11:56 am

Spoken like a true government employee.

Cheers.

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Re: Getting Rich on Government-Backed Mortgages

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat May 26, 2018 12:02 pm

You will get a shit ton of those government employees when all these struggling renters grow old and existing social security is insufficient.

Creating a legion of working poor because you worship mammon usually costs you down the line.

Ain't no different than the other liberals. This stuff has a cost you will pay one way or another.

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Re: Getting Rich on Government-Backed Mortgages

Post by Fife » Sat May 26, 2018 12:12 pm

Of course you're right. Before Social Security, FDR, Wilson, TR, and Marx/Engels, all real estate was totally misallocated.

Thank goodness the smarties amongst us figured out how to save us from 10,000+ years of faulty property law.