CATO: The Government has the right to kill your boy. LOLBS ARE A JOKE

[TheReal_ND]

This is hitting levels of beltway libertarian that should not even be possible

hostile as libertarians are to government, even we believe government can legitimately order the withdrawal of life support, and prohibit parents from moving a child to obtain further treatment, when that treatment would fruitlessly prolong a child’s suffering – i.e., when further treatment would be akin to torture.

U wot?

"The government if fully in the right to prevent you from letting your child be treated elsewhere, contributing directly to it's death, because libertarianism"

What a joke! Smoke some more meth on your twelve lane super highway to Mexico.



https://www.cato.org/blog/why-i-think-c ... -all-wrong

[Speaker to Animals]

Libertarians, everybody.

Basically liberals.

[Martin Hash]

This is the abortion argument in spades. I never could make up my mind which side convinced me more.

[de officiis]

I don't really know the facts of this situation, but it reminds me of a case I worked on more than 20 years ago. When a child suffers a severe head injury and is repeatedly found to be brain dead by all objective measures, I think his or her doctors do have an obligation to stand up for the patient against a parent who wants to needlessly maintain the child on a ventilator. The mental anguish that a parent suffers under such tragic circumstances can cloud their judgment and make it extremely difficult for them to let go. It can also be difficult for a parent to grasp that a person who looks so "alive" breathing on the vent, and who may exhibit some reflexes, is, in fact, gone.

On the other hand, if the patient is in a coma or the indications of brain activity are ambiguous, then I think the doctors need to follow the substituted judgment of the child's parents or guardians about what is in his or her best interests.

[Speaker to Animals]

Part of what made it so offensive was that the people who made him that sick killed him out of his supposed best interest rather than allow a more competent hospital deal with their malpractice.

Alfie went in to the ER with a flu or cold, and he never came out alive.

It was in his best interest to be cared for by competent doctors, and that never happened.

[Montegriffo]

Part of what made it so offensive was that the people who made him that sick killed him out of his supposed best interest rather than allow a more competent hospital deal with their malpractice.

Alfie went in to the ER with a flu or cold, and he never came out alive.

It was in his best interest to be cared for by competent doctors, and that never happened.

Bullshit

A healthy, happy baby born at home - but there were soon signs of his illness.

The youngster was born in a three-bedroom home in Dingle - his uncle's - and spent the first few months living there as a healthy, happy baby.

Later that year, after noticing he was very weak, his doting parents Tom Evans, 21, and Kate James, 20, took him to the doctors several times.

In December, his condition worsened when he was admitted to Alder Hey after "sloping back in his chair and making jerking movements".

His condition quickly deteriorated and he slipped into a coma after suffering seizures.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/li ... y-14588878

[Speaker to Animals]

The initial diagnosis was the flu, Monty. Maybe your state media doesn't want to discuss that.

[Montegriffo]

“Alfie Evans was born on 9 May 2016. By six months of age there was no doubt that Alfie was showing marked signs of significant developmental delay. On 14 December 2016 Alfie was admitted to Alder Hey Accident and Emergency Department with a history of coughing, high temperature and a reported episode of rhythmic jerking of all four limbs and his jaw. On the 19 December Alfie was reviewed by Dr R, a consultant in paediatric neurology and on examination was found to have a slow breathing rate, apnoeas (pauses in breathing) and his most significant identifiable neurological response was to pain. Alfie was transferred to the Paediatric Intensive Care Unit (PICU).
“MRI scans confirmed a ‘rapidly progressive destructive brain disease’.

“Professor Judith Cross (the Prince of Wales’ Chair of Childhood Epilepsy at UCL – Great Ormond Street Institute of Child Health and also Honorary Consultant in Paediatric Neurology) reviewed Alfie at the PICU on 15 June 2017. Professor Cross concluded that Alfie has a progressive, ultimately fatal neurodegenerative condition, most likely a mitochondrial disorder and that “even if it were possible to stop Alfie’s seizures, which did not look likely given his poor response to anti-convulsant treatment to date, his brain is entirely beyond recovery.”

http://www.sciencemediacentre.org/exper ... fie-evans/

[nmoore63]

if there is no child left, how does keeping it alive hurt it?

You mean because the child is braindead, there "is no child left"? Well, I don't know, Nick.... Do you think it should be legal for the parents to hammer nails into the child's flesh, and use it an inanimate meat doll to re-live and replay moments of the child's history while it's kept alive by a machine? After all, if that's the parent's choice and it doesn't hurt the child... Both living, dying and DEAD children ought to have a right to be treated with dignity. They are persons, not things.

I think there is a obvious difference between feeding a brain dead child and mutilating a dead corpse.

Alternatively, if we continue down the government line that the child has nothing left to live for, they are still failing even a utilitarian test.

The nonsuffering child, can't be suffering otherwise not feeding it would make them torturers, is indifferent to existence, but the parents' suffering is increased.

When government can't even pass a theoretical utilitarian test... you know its bad.

[DrYouth]

Nature has a way of sorting these things out.

When several doctors agree that there is no way to help improve the situation... i.e. brain death... after a suitable period of reflection and assessment...it makes sense to remove artificial means of prolonging life... in a publically funded system.

Families of course should be able to provide food, sustenance and natural care... or pay privately for the artificial measures to prolong the adjustment period.... or pay privately for further assessments and interventions.