Wages rise on California farms. Americans still don’t want the job.

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Wages rise on California farms. Americans still don’t want the job.

Post by jediuser598 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:00 am

But the commute is paying off. A year ago, the 31-year-old from Mexico was earning $14.75 an hour doing the same work for a different Napa company. He joined Silverado in April and now he’s making $19.50 working vineyards that produce grapes for a winery whose bottles go for about $300.

“Everything in Napa is different. They treat you differently there, they don’t pressure you, and they respect the law,” he says. “If you work here, in Stockton, you don’t have enough money.”

According to the economic theory behind Trump’s immigration crackdown, Americans should be following Martinez’s van into the fields.

“The law of supply and demand doesn’t stop being true just because you’re talking about people,” says George Borjas, a Harvard economist and prominent foe of unfettered immigration. “[Farmers] have had an almost endless supply of low-skill workers for a long time, and now they are finding it difficult to transition to a situation where they don’t.”

Borjas believes the ones who reap the rewards of immigration are employers — not just farmers, but restaurant owners and well-to-do homeowners who hire landscapers and housekeepers. The people who suffer most are American workers, who contend with more competition for jobs and lower pay.

But Silverado, the farm labor contracting company in Napa, has never had a white, American-born person take an entry-level gig, even after the company increased hourly wages to $4 above the minimum. And Silverado is far from unique.

U.S. workers filled just 2% of a sample of farm labor vacancies advertised in 1996, according to a report published by the Labor Department’s office of inspector general. “I don’t think anybody would dispute that that’s roughly the way it is now” as well, says Philip Martin, an economist at UC Davis and one of the country’s leading experts on agriculture.

Indeed, Chalmers R. Carr III, the president of Titan Farms, a South Carolina peach giant, told lawmakers at a 2013 hearing that he advertised 2,000 job openings from 2010 through 2012. Carr said he was paying $9.39, $2 more than the state’s minimum wage at the time.

“You don’t need a deep analysis to understand why farm work wouldn’t be attractive to young Americans”
— Philip Martin, agriculture expert

He hired 483 U.S. applicants, slightly less than a quarter of what he needed; 109 didn’t show up on the first day. Another 321 of them quit, “the vast majority in the first two days,” Carr testified. Only 31 lasted for the entire peach season.

Borjas, the Harvard economist, says that it may just be that wages are still too low. “Believe me, if the wages were really, really high, you and I would be lining up,” Borjas says.

Or perhaps farms are just not a place where native-born Americans want to work. The job is seasonal, so laborers have to alternate between long stretches without any income and then months of 60-hour weeks. They work in extreme heat and cold, and spend all day bending over to reach vegetables or climbing up and down ladders to pluck fruit in trees.

“You don’t need a deep analysis to understand why farm work wouldn’t be attractive to young Americans,”
says Martin, the agriculture expert.

If farmers upped the average wage to, say, $25 an hour, people born here might think twice. But that’s a pipe dream, many argue.

“Well before we got to $25, there would be machines out in the fields, doing pruning or harvesting, or we would lose crops,” Martin says.
http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-f ... migration/

The LA time take on foreign workers and immigrant jobs vs wages vs automation.
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Re: Wages rise on California farms. Americans still don’t want the job.

Post by Fife » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:12 am

Obviously we need yuge tariffs on Mexican wine.

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Post by DBTrek » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:25 am

American agriculture, another welfare state disaster.

Fix crop prices to artificially inflate their price. But don’t inflate them to a level where Americans want to harvest. Then use your fixed pricing scheme to justify flooding the nation with foreigners.

/shrug


PS: Love how Americans are working in mines, on remote cell tiwers, on oil platforms, and crabbing in arctic waters, but they obviously won’t do farm labor because it’s hard and can take place in “extreme” temperatures (never mind that plants don’t grow in extreme temperatures).
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Re: Wages rise on California farms. Americans still don’t want the job.

Post by PartyOf5 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:45 am

Maybe if the cost of living wasn't so high in CA $20/hr. would be enough. If you offer that much to people in most other states you'd get Americans willing to work those jobs.

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Post by DBTrek » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:48 am

There’s this crazy invention called a free market where you let people who buy a product determine its worth through price competition. Their purchasing decisions at different price points actually help determine how much it should cost a farmer to harvest a peach, or whether peaches are actually worth harvesting at all.

For the benefit of Californians, of course, who may have lost the whole free market idea with the fading of their ancestral memories.
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:50 am

Apparently Sowell didn't explain in his little red book that supply and demand applies to wages..

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Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:51 am

DBTrek wrote:There’s this crazy invention called a free market where you let people who buy a product determine its worth through price competition. Their purchasing decisions at different price points actually help determine how much it should cost a farmer to harvest a peach, or whether peaches are actually worth harvesting at all.

For the benefit of Californians, of course, who may have lost the whole free market idea with the fading of their ancestral memories.

Yeah, that's fucking awesome. Maybe we should let Mexico produce bootlegged versions of copyrighted media and patented technologies to sell at a steep discount in American markets. This open borders idea will work great when we apply not just to labor!!

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Post by DBTrek » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:53 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:Apparently Sowell didn't explain in his little red book that supply and demand applies to wages..
Never seen a man so insecure over someone else’s reading material. I half suspect you feel threatened because my leisure reading has led to more economic discussions than a decade of Your supposed minor.
/shrug

Also, your comment makes no sense as I just explained how price driven markets help determine labor prices, Mr. Supposed Minor.
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:55 am

:lol:

Insecure?

I am mocking the ridiculousness of you lecturing everybody about economics when your only exposure to it is a single neocon political book. LMFAO

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Post by DBTrek » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:57 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
DBTrek wrote:There’s this crazy invention called a free market where you let people who buy a product determine its worth through price competition. Their purchasing decisions at different price points actually help determine how much it should cost a farmer to harvest a peach, or whether peaches are actually worth harvesting at all.

For the benefit of Californians, of course, who may have lost the whole free market idea with the fading of their ancestral memories.

Yeah, that's fucking awesome. Maybe we should let Mexico produce bootlegged versions of copyrighted media and patented technologies to sell at a steep discount in American markets. This open borders idea will work great when we apply not just to labor!!
Me: price point driven markets help determine labor wages which can also determine whether or not a particular product is even viable.

StA (supposed economics minor): I GUESS MEXICO SHOULD JUST BOOTLEG EVERYTHING AND RESELL IT HERE THEN, BECAUSE OPEN BORDERS ARE JUST SO AWESOME.

I’ll let the forum make its own judgment as to who the fucking idiot is. Jeez-Louise.
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