New gun regulations in Norway

[Otern]

So, our right wing government has pushed for gun control lately, and they're getting a law banning semi auto center fire rifles with detachable magazines for hunting. Seven years after the Utøya massacre, and no mass shootings after that, so obviously, the law wasn't really needed. But since the media here absolutely love to chime in to the fear gluttony related to US mass shootings, the public perception of danger has gone crazy.

And we're actually going to do this in a worse way than the Australians during their gun buyback. The guns are simply confiscated. The left wing coalition want the owners compensated, but the urbanite right wingers are simply going confiscation because of "public safety". This, of course is in breach of our constitution, which does not allow for private property to be confiscated without compensation. And in breach with our constitution, and any law in any functional judicial system where laws can't have retroactive force.

Also, we used to have this law where the police had to give a 48 hours warning before checking in on legally armed people. Since we have this thing in our constitution where the police aren't allowed to enter homes except in the case of crimes committed, like the American's fourth amendment. The result of this is not entirely clear yet, but obviously, the politicians and the police themselves have now said the police can just enter any legal gun owner's home, without warning, or due process. It's not that the police will actually enforce this thing though, they're too busy anyway, and didn't enforce the old law which told them to check on inactive gun club members and so on. But it's another tool in the toolbox for the rare bad eggs in the police force, which can now harass even more freely.

Only good thing to come out of this law, was the hunter's wardrobe is expanded from 6 guns to 8 guns. So personally, this new law is good for me, since I only like old bolt actions anyway, but it's fucking awful for common sense, justice, and people that simply like to own a Ruger Mini-14.

Of course the media here didn't mention any of this, until it was over. Just like they're treating the whole ACER debate now.

The political parties did show their true colors though. The self proclaimed "conservatives" and "libertarians" didn't respect property rights. And while the left also wanted those guns gone, they did have the absolute minimum decency to try to go for a compensation program for the owners. The only party going against the whole law, was the agrarian party (SP), so I'm glad I voted for them in the last election, and will probably vote for them in the next too. Also, they're the only ones vocally objecting ACER, so they'll definitely grow among the people paying attention to politics, even though the media for sure isn't paying attention.

I just know the daily show, or some other shit show will use this after a mass shooting in the US as an argument for gun control. "See, Norway had the largest mass shooting in recent history, and they banned those firearms, why can't we do the same?". Even though they've been just as legal the last eight years, as they were the year the massacre happened, and we've had no mass shootings after that anyway.

We had ONE homicide with a firearm last year. And 18 gun related homicides in total from 2012-2018. There's no statistics on the legality of those firearms though, but it's reasonable to expect at least half of those were committed by illegal, smuggled handguns which has never been in legal ownership of a Norwegian citizen anyway. Oslo is where most gun homicides happen anyway, and that shit is gang related, using guns smuggled in from eastern Europe, or from some military depot break in in Germany. So, even though the legal gun owners and legal guns weren't used in any homicides last year, the public are going after the legal gun owners. No border controls or anything to stop the influx of illegal weapons though, because that would be against the whole EU-idea.

[DBTrek]

That is insane. It boggles the mind to think that descendants of straight-up church-raiding, village burning, slave trading Vikings are now forcibly disarming their people. It’s especially concerning because people in America like to believe the spirit of the Founding Fathers, with their love of liberty and distaste for authority, will prevail in America.

But if Vikings can’t even keep their arms in the 21st century, things aren’t looking good for the descendants of some land-owning, wig wearing, farmers.



Murder is already illegal. This idea that outlawing the tools of murdering somehow makes us safer is ridiculous. Homemade explosives, vehicles driven into crowds, and calculating arsonists can inflict as many mass casualties as a kid with a rifle.

[Otern]

That is insane. It boggles the mind to think that descendants of straight-up church-raiding, village burning, slave trading Vikings are now forcibly disarming their people. It’s especially concerning because people in America like to believe the spirit of the Founding Fathers, with their love of liberty and distaste for authority, will prevail in America.

But if Vikings can’t even keep their arms in the 21st century, things aren’t looking good for the descendants of some land-owning, wig wearing, farmers.



Murder is already illegal. This idea that outlawing the tools of murdering somehow makes us safer is ridiculous. Homemade explosives, vehicles driven into crowds, and calculating arsonists can inflict as many mass casualties as a kid with a rifle.

It's even worse than that.

I'm not even one of those that says gun control doesn't work, or even going at it from a second amendment standpoint.

But we have around 500 000 legal gun owners in Norway. 31 guns per 100 people. There's a shooting range in every single fucking small village, and Landskytterstevnet (a yearly shooting competition), is the largest viewer AND participant sport in Norway. ONE gun homicide last year, and that was not even a legal gun owner, since it happened in Oslo, and he was a gang member with previous convictions, and he most definitely didn't use a gun that has been previously owned by a legal gun owner here. And people still think it's too dangerous. It shows the gun grabbers aren't content with zero gun murders, they'll still want them banned, because the POTENTIAL scares them.

I wish the police published the statistics on how many of those gun homicides were done by people that legally owned the firearms, or if the firearm was legally registered on someone. Because I suspect very few of them were. They do happen from time to time though, the Utøya massacre is one of those extremely rare cases where a legal gun owner used a legal gun to illegally murder someone here. But really, most gun murders here are committed by people that wouldn't be allowed near a range anyway.

They could do gun control measures that works, and still leave the legal owners alone. Like having actual border controls, so the amount of illegal guns in criminal hands get reduced.

Hell, there's one flaw in the legal ammunition trade I noticed, but the politicians haven't noticed. And it could've been fixed easily, without making anything harder for legal gun owners;
I had just bought a gun from a guy, sent my papers, and he sent his. While I was waiting for my weapons card, I could still buy ammunition, by showing a part of the approved application at the store. The application consists of four layer of papers, and you keep the last layer after a transaction, so whatever is written there is barely decipherable, but it works as a "temporary weapons card". So far, so good. I went to the store, bought some ammunition, and went on my merry way, no trouble.

But the weapons card still didn't come. And that shit was weird, because I've bought three more guns while waiting for the card for my first gun, and the cards came less than a week, an in one case before I got the actual gun.

After six months of waiting, I got the card, the police had obviously lost the papers in some pile at the office, and had to be put straight by the previous owner when they told him he still had it registered on him.

Now, of course, I did everything legally, and no laws were broken. But it got me thinking how easy it is for a criminal to buy ammunition from a legal store. There's been no known cases of this actually happening though, since criminals get their ammunition from smugglers, just like their guns. But a criminal could fake an application permit, which is easy to do, basically just write what gun you "have" and so on. Then go to the store, show it, along with ID, and buy whatever ammo you want. The store does not send the sales transaction to the police, which are the only ones who actually know if you have a legal gun or not.

If the new gun regulations looked into fixing this, it would be good. Basically all the stores had to do would be to send the information to the police, in the few cases where people are using a "temporary weapons card" to buy ammunition. The police can then check it against their records, and take measures if something's off. It would mean no hassle for gun owners at all, in my case, all I'd get would be a phone call, tell them the truth, and the previous owner would tell the truth too, and all would be good. But if a criminal tried the same, it would be easy to catch him, and if he'd use fake ID, they could investigate, checking the surveillance cameras in the store and so on.

But at the same time, I don't want politicians looking into this, because the only solution they'd see is: "no more temporary weapons card", or some other pointless obstacles.

[DBTrek]

You make a brilliant point about gun grabbers not being content with zero murders, but still wanting guns banned. A point I’ll be sure to bring up the next time someone is hailing the utopia of European-style gun control (by which they inevitably mean Great Britain, not Switzerland).

It almost has a religious smell about it, the relationship between gun banners and guns. THOU SHALT NOT OWN GUNS - regardless of the actual effects or societal impacts of people owning guns. Like pork being verboten to Jews and Muslims - doesn’t matter if pork kills people or not, God says you shall never have it. And while we’re at it, God says you shall never own guns either, facts be damned.

[de officiis]

Sad to hear that our current insanity has spilled over into your politics. But if there is really that many gun owners, then you need to form a political party or get behind someone who promotes your cause and do what you can.

[Okeefenokee]

Norwegian Firearms Association.

No no,

I got a better one

Norwegian Rifle Association.

[Otern]

Sad to hear that our current insanity has spilled over into your politics. But if there is really that many gun owners, then you need to form a political party or get behind someone who promotes your cause and do what you can.

Yeah, we do have different organizations working for hunters and sports shooters though. A Norwegian NRA would be good, but it wouldn't look anything like the US version. We don't have a second amendment, and extremely few of the gun owners support the whole self defense aspect of guns.

But the organizations should be better at protecting each other, and not throw the smaller ones under the bus. This time, it was just the semi automatic rifles for hunters. But the next time, they'll go after sport shooters, pistol shooting, and semi auto rifle target shooting.

I talked with a classmate, who works in a gun store, and is super into long range shooting. He fully supported the ban on Mini-14s, because of the school shootings. And being allowed 8 guns for hunting, is better than 6. The same attitude is pretty common in Norway. "As long as my life isn't affected, it's good, even though it has no effect".

Don't need to form a political party, as I noticed SP did everything right in this whole debacle. A political party just for gun rights wouldn't be popular, and would only fragment SP. I'll join SP now though, as they have been consistent and reasonable on not only gun stuff, but on agriculture, defense policy, and the sovereignty issue.

You honestly wouldn't believe how out of touch the urbanites are with the rural areas. Seen proposals put forward by them requiring all guns to be stored at central facilities, Soviet Union style. Then read a news article about 5000 pistol rounds being stolen from a target shooting club in the south a few days ago. It was inside a locked bunker, inside a locked safe. It's safer for the public that guns and ammunition is stored at the owners, but some people are so scared by guns, they'd rather have them all in one place, where everyone, including criminals, know the location. The reason the ammunition has to be stored there, is because beginners in shooting sports can't buy guns or ammunition themselves in the beginning. Just another safety measure that makes it easier for criminals, and an obstacle for the law abiding.

[Okeefenokee]

Guess that's the price you pay when your national origin is centered on offensive raiding of other lands, rather than resistance to foreign oppression.

Don't get me wrong. I'd love if you folks could develop a national appreciation of defense against oppression, but your history doesn't make that argument easy.

We have the cucked brits the thank for our recognition of the need for our gun rights. If not for the violent oppression of the ancestors of the cucked brits getting invaded by the third world, we'd be in a different boat.

You play the cards you're dealt.

[Smitty-48]

The right to bear arms in Britain from the 1689 English Bill of Rights stood until 1920, when the Firearms Act was passed, the rubric being "communists and saboteurs!" using "readily available firearms!" in the wake of the First World War, for an "uprising!" of the working classes and Irish Fenians, pretty much went from there to total prohibition for all intents and purposes, by 1968.

[Okeefenokee]

It doesn't hurt to have a national origin story connected to gun owning citizens fighting off a gun confiscating foreign power.