Should the Federal Judiciary Be a "Co-Equal" Branch?

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Should the Federal Judiciary Be a "Co-Equal" Branch?

Post by Fife » Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:03 am

Where in the Constitution does it say that SCOTUS has the final say on what is or isn't constitutional?

Consider the historical and current make-up of the Court.


“The Bubble” and the Judiciary: Is There a Solution?
The 2016 election focused attention on the cultural, social, and economic divide that separates the highly-educated coastal elites from struggling working and middle-class voters in neglected “fly-over country.” The nation has become increasingly stratified, in a variety of ways, threatening to rend our shared civic fabric. Pundits have coined a term for this phenomenon— “the bubble”—and cited it as an explanation for dysfunction in higher education, imbalance in the media, and polarization in American politics. The Judiciary’s Class War, a thin but highly-readable volume written by University of Tennessee law professor Glenn Reynolds (of Instapundit fame), posits that the bubble also affects judicial decision-making, especially by the federal courts.

Reynolds’ timely and perceptive essay points out what often goes unnoticed: The justices currently serving on the U.S. Supreme Court all graduated from Ivy League law schools (eight of nine from either Harvard or Yale), and include no military veterans, former politicians, or judges with state court experience. The current justices overwhelmingly hail from—or have professional roots in—the Northeast-D.C. corridor (Neil Gorsuch alone came to the court from somewhere other than one of the coasts), and conspicuously lack significant private sector legal experience. Most justices were academics or lower court judges prior to their appointment, and those who did practice as lawyers tended to work for the federal government or as appellate lawyers—hardly representative of the bar as a whole. John Roberts’ specialty at Hogan & Hartson was arguing cases before the Supreme Court.
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As Reynolds explains, the over-arching problem is that

since the mid-twentieth century, the federal courts have become, in essence, our nation’s moral umpire when it comes to the pressing social questions of the day. This use of the courts itself reflects a Front Row approach, removing decisions from the masses and placing them in the hands of educated elites…. A muscular, unelected Supreme Court enforcing a “living Constitution” that conveniently reflects the prejudices of the elites, without concern for the vagaries of elections and popular sentiment, represents a particularly intrusive form of elitism.

Reynolds has eloquently framed the problem, and begun a dialogue regarding the solution. It is a long-overdue conversation that our republic dearly needs to have.

A quick (48 pages), exciting read:

The Judiciary's Class War
The terms “Front-Row Kids” and “Back-Row Kids,” coined by the photographer Chris Arnade, describe the divide between the educated upper middle class, who are staying ahead in today’s economy, and the less educated working class, who are doing poorly. The differences in education—and the values associated with elite schooling—have produced a divide in America that is on a par with that of race.


The judiciary, requiring a postgraduate degree, is the one branch of government that is reserved for the Front-Row Kids. Correspondingly, since the Warren era, the Supreme Court has basically served as an engine for vindicating Front-Row preferences, from allowing birth control and abortion, to marginalizing religion in the public space, to legislative apportionment and libel law, and beyond. Professor Glenn Reynolds describes this problem in detail and offers some suggestions for making things better.
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Re: Should the Federal Judiciary Be a "Co-Equal" Branch?

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:24 am

The terms “Front-Row Kids” and “Back-Row Kids,” coined by the photographer Chris Arnade, describe the divide between the educated upper middle class, who are staying ahead in today’s economy, and the less educated working class, who are doing poorly. The differences in education—and the values associated with elite schooling—have produced a divide in America that is on a par with that of race
Yes... we need more less-educated people as judges and lawyers. They're certainly too qualified.
This will work out well.

While we're at it, we should continue to expect absolutely no knowledge from our legislators and executive branches. This is a strategy for success.

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Re: Should the Federal Judiciary Be a "Co-Equal" Branch?

Post by Zero » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:32 am

I dunno, I’m nowhere near being a Constitutional expert, but it’s certainly an interesting question.

Layman POV would center, I suppose, on Article III esrablishing judicial power to the judicial branch. Judiciary power traditionally involves interpreting the constitutionality of laws.

Marbury v Madison establishes judicial review as a hard check, where one wasn’t really explicitly defined initially. You’d have to undo 217 odd years of precedent. What would be the effect?

What would be the potential impact of the courts not having co-equal status? Wouldn’t the executive and or legislative branch run roughshod, more than they already do? How do you avoid the tyranny of the majority?

Are there examples of countries where the courts are effective referees without being co-equal?

The quotes you provided seems to focus more on the lack of diversity in the courts, rather than upending Marbury. Honestly, all upper level government functionaries seem to be the front row kids the excerpt refers to. I can’t think of many exceptions where money and connections weren’t an unofficial requirement of getting to those higher positions.

So, rather than the tyranny of the majority, we have the tyranny of the legal elite? Which pill is harder to swallow? I suppose it maybe depends on whether or not the elite are deciding in your favor at the time.
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Re: Should the Federal Judiciary Be a "Co-Equal" Branch?

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:33 am

The Supreme Court does not actually have the authority it has claimed for some time now.

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Re: Should the Federal Judiciary Be a "Co-Equal" Branch?

Post by Zero » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:35 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:The Supreme Court does not actually have the authority it has claimed for some time now.
Jefferson clearly disagreed with Marbury
You seem to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. Our judges are as honest as other men, and not more so. They have, with others, the same passions for party, for power, and the privilege of their corps.... Their power [is] the more dangerous as they are in office for life, and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots. It has more wisely made all the departments co-equal and co-sovereign within themselves.
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Re: Should the Federal Judiciary Be a "Co-Equal" Branch?

Post by de officiis » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:57 am

Gee, who knew that in today's divided political climate, Presidents don't want to nominate SCOTUS candidates with uncertain or less than stellar reputations? Guess that's a valid reason to declare the entire federal judiciary a less than equal branch of the Government.
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Re: Should the Federal Judiciary Be a "Co-Equal" Branch?

Post by nmoore63 » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:13 pm

The Harvard/Yale hold on the SCOTUS needs to be shattered.

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Re: Should the Federal Judiciary Be a "Co-Equal" Branch?

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:16 pm

This guy makes a good case:


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Re: Should the Federal Judiciary Be a "Co-Equal" Branch?

Post by Fife » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:20 pm

A podcast episode interviewing the author of the mentioned book:

https://www.encounterbooks.com/features ... e-elitism/
It's frankly sort of absurd that the Supreme Court decides a lot of the questions that it does often, essentially as a first instance rather than after just saying Congress tried and got it wrong. And I think that when it does so, it brings to it the instincts of the elite bar.

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Re: Should the Federal Judiciary Be a "Co-Equal" Branch?

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:22 pm

The Supreme Court almost always gets the most important moral questions wrong as well, from the humanity of a black man to killing babies. It's pretty fucked when you step back and think about it.