Urban vs. Rural; What's to be done?

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Re: Urban vs. Rural; What's to be done?

Post by C-Mag » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:50 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:10 am
It is really very simple. Government is a monopoly on violence. All government is the product of the warrior class of any complex society. True self-government, therefore, implies the people and the warrior class are more or less the same.

The United States, between 1776 and 1789 was pretty close to true self-government. The electorate were all by definition the army (white males with property were by law in the militia).

In democratic Athens, a voter in the demos was required to maintain his weapons and armor. The landed farmers outside the city were required to maintain horses and cavalry equipment. If you were especially wealthy, your "tax" could simply be the construction and maintenance of a warship. If you voted to go to war, and a majority agreed with you, then you probably were getting mustered thereafter.

You cannot in any sense of the term call yourselves "self-governed" if you are disarmed. A disarmed people ultimately get the government the army imposes upon them. Their only recourse is, like a battered woman, to pathetically appeal to the consciences of the army, or to helplessly flail in the streets as we see in France, daring the army to crush their windpipe. At best, you can attempt to convince enough people in the army to take your side in a civil war (see Venezuela).


Self-government you are not.
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Re: Urban vs. Rural; What's to be done?

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:14 am

That model was abandoned in favor of standing armies, because domestic production ground to a halt every time there was a new piece of land to invade.

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Re: Urban vs. Rural; What's to be done?

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:26 am

And the obvious solution to that is the Heinlein model: enfranchisement at the completion of one term of enlistment. Problem solved.

Add to that property ownership and net tax paying status unless disabled, and you are golden.

I guarantee you about 99% of the democratic party electorate, and probably at least half of the republican party electorate (especially the warhawk neocohens) would opt to not become voters or serve in the government if it means they have to give up a mere four years of their lives because then they'd have to risk those lives if wars come about.

Not a single welfare-abusing single mother would get a vote on anything. They'd have to serve and then get a job to become net tax payers.

The idea that voting is a human right is fucking ridiculous and why our nation is so incredibly fucked up today.

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Re: Urban vs. Rural; What's to be done?

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:36 pm

Well... it is a central tenet of democracy..
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Re: Urban vs. Rural; What's to be done?

Post by Ph64 » Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:22 am

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:36 pm
Well... it is a central tenet of democracy..
Which is why the founding fathers didn't make us a democracy but a constitutional republic.
They knew quite well from history how democracies fell.

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Re: Urban vs. Rural; What's to be done?

Post by Fife » Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:43 am

Muh Democracy was pretty far down the list from birthing and enshrining Federal City at the secret counterrevolution of '87.

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Re: Urban vs. Rural; What's to be done?

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:14 am

God dammit how many times do I have to hear that dumbass slogan?

Republic: government is public and not inherited (as in an inherited monarchy).

Democracy: government is chosen by a vote, the two forms being direct democracy and representative democracy.

The founders of this degenerate nation created BOTH a republic and a democracy.

North Korea is a republic. United States is a republic. The word does not mean what conservatives keep assuming it means when they say that shit, and that slogan does not impress anybody. Leftists do not give a shit about democracy. They are more republican than a conservative by a country mile. They want MORE public government to the point where the public can stamp out your individual choices of no moral distinction simply on the whims of the mob.

Welcome to The Republic, dumbasses.

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Re: Urban vs. Rural; What's to be done?

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:33 pm

What are they doing, cutting his hair?
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Re: Urban vs. Rural; What's to be done?

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:57 pm

Read Chapter One of The Three Body Problem.

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Re: Urban vs. Rural; What's to be done?

Post by clubgop » Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:27 pm

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:33 pm
What are they doing, cutting his hair?
Aren't you the expert on the Cultural revolution? Oh wait..... you fucked that up too.