Was There Collusion?

[kybkh]

Can we quit the bullshit please. We know for a fact that Obama was caught negotiating policy with Putin to benefit his campaign in 2012. It is a fact.



We know Obama told Mitt the "80's want their foreign policy back" when he was pushed on Russia during a debate.




Is this collusion???

Yes or no?

[SuburbanFarmer]

A sitting president negotiating with a foreign government?

That's a bit different than shady meetings with a candidate, prior to election.

[kybkh]

A sitting president negotiating with a foreign government?

That's a bit different than shady meetings with a candidate, prior to election.

You honestly believe that? If I were to compare what Obama is doing, it is an even more corrupt act cause he had the power to actually follow through. A candidate Trump can't do shit unless he's elected while a sitting president can act immediately win or lose.

Look, it is safe to say Putin wanted Obama to win versus Mitt. You think 2016 is the first time Putin got his dick wet?

All the hypocrisy is so obvious. The MIC just shakes some shiny object and the Lovable Liberals are ready to re-fit the nuclear arsenal and ditch the sequestration.

It really is a brilliant psy-op effort to re-orient the populous' priorities.

[PartyOf5]

A sitting president negotiating with a foreign government?

That's a bit different than shady meetings with a candidate, prior to election.

You're right, they are different. One has factual evidence, the other relies on things like "shady".

[Speaker to Animals]

These Hillbots seriously lost their minds. It's not hyperbole. They are batshit crazy and this Russia conspiracy theory really proves it.

[TheReal_ND]

Never fear. Mueller is here!

[C-Mag]

Consider the Timeline of the Russian Dementia Syndrome.

Started by bush in Fall of 2015
Picked up by Clinton in Jan 2016
Laid dormant throughout election season
Trump elected in November
Obama Admin gets FISA warrant and starts unmasking like crazy, 260 people in total
McCain sends envoy to pick up Dossier in December
Flynn gets fired
Russia ever since

IMO, it's simply a pre-emptive attack. But why? This is where it gets interesting.
These people in the Beltway eat, sleep and drink Collusion. They don't care about this. Why the freak out?

Different theories are out there. When you look at how frantic pace of spying on Trump and unmasking people immediately following the election, the Obama Admin looks panicked as does the Intelligence Community. James Clappper even held meetings to float the idea of getting the Supreme Court to upend Trumps inauguration. What is it that the Establishment is so afraid of in Trump?

[Penner]

A sitting president negotiating with a foreign government?

That's a bit different than shady meetings with a candidate, prior to election.

This is a point they fail to see. Obama, a sitting president having meetings with another foreign government, and then-candidate Trump having meetings with a foreign government.

[ssu]

Can we quit the bullshit please. We know for a fact that Obama was caught negotiating policy with Putin to benefit his campaign in 2012. It is a fact.



We know Obama told Mitt the "80's want their foreign policy back" when he was pushed on Russia during a debate.




Is this collusion???

Yes or no?

So Obama said "After the election I have more flexibility". And yes, Obama made similar efforts to reboot the US-Russian relations after the Bush era where the Russo-Georgian war had wrecked them (before that Bush loved Putin). What is noticeable is that both Bush and Obama tried to improve the relations with Russia. Of course Bush was also declaring that Ukraine and Goergia could join NATO. For Obama the change came with Crimea and the Ukrainian civil war.

Had Obama an idea to build a Tower in Moscow? Other projects in Russia? Did he get money from the Russians? Just what help did he get?

Kybkh, a far better example would be the "pay for play" thing, and looking at just what foreign entities have paid to the Clinton foundations and then check if US policy has changed abruptly. So if their is the favor that is given.

Just an example, from many (from last year):

A newly disclosed internal email about a potential $1 million gift from the country of Qatar to the Clinton Foundation is shedding light on how the charity dealt with donations from foreign governments during Hillary Clinton’s time as secretary of state.

An ethics agreement with the Obama administration placed certain limits on such contributions during her tenure. It was designed to avoid the impression that foreign governments could curry favor with the top U.S. diplomat by supporting the foundation that her husband started.

But that agreement did not stop donations from foreign governments entirely. Contributions from governments that had given before Clinton took office were allowed, provided those donations did not represent substantial increases over past giving. According to an email sent to Clinton Foundation officials, the ambassador to Qatar requested a meeting with former president Bill Clinton in 2012, apparently so that he could present a $1 million check that Qatar had promised in honor of Clinton’s birthday in 2011.

Amitabh Desai, who served as a foreign-policy adviser to the former president, wrote other officials that he had met with the Qatari official. Using Clinton’s initials, Desai indicated that the ambassador had requested “to see WJC ‘for five minutes’ in NYC, to present $1 million check that Qatar promised for WJC’s birthday in 2011.” The Clinton campaign and foundation officials have refused to authenticate individual emails released by WikiLeaks, noting that the Russians, who have been accused by U.S. intelligence of orchestrating recent cyberhacks, sometimes doctor or fake documents.

It is not clear whether Bill Clinton ever met with the ambassador or whether the official presented the check. But foundation officials have disclosed that Qatar donated to the Clinton Foundation in 2012 as part of a series of gifts that have so far totaled between $1 million and $5 million.

[clubgop]

A sitting president negotiating with a foreign government?

That's a bit different than shady meetings with a candidate, prior to election.

This is a point they fail to see. Obama, a sitting president having meetings with another foreign government, and then-candidate Trump having meetings with a foreign government.

Try to keep up. We all ready shat on this. GCF has skunked off, again. Now be a good little hack and do the same.